joey over rated or underated?









Last edited by b b253 on Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:33 pm; edited 1 time in total

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ok well y dont u lock this 1 up too cause im askin if he overated..

b b253 wrote:

ok well y dont u lock this 1 up too cause im askin if he overated..

lol. im just kidding! this has been talked about too many times. i personally think he desreves some credit. he is fast and neat. simple. and most of all, better than me! not my genre of drumming though!








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ya i know this has been talked about on different topics but i posted this so they can talk about here instead of on other ppls topics and personally i think hes overated but he is good and better then me lol but not as good as most ppl cut him out to be

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yes, it is. and his name his spelt wrong!








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better?

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better?

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b b253 wrote:

joey over rated or underated?

so, what do you think???








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sorry , missed your above post!








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lol ya i do think hes overrated just because every1 thinks hes some god and the best drummer in the wrld hes good for the music he plays speed metal or w/e but im not into tht kinda music and ya hes fast too but sped aint everything u can be an awsome drummer and not have speed

I'd need to know who rated him, and what the rating was!

Most people that I know rate him pretty poorly, so, how could he be over rated?

He's over rated by people that like him, and properly rated by most others...

Randy Jackson says" He's just all right for me... what do you think paula?"








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im not a fan either, and he is a bit over-rated

zen_drummer wrote:

I'd need to know who rated him, and what the rating was!

Most people that I know rate him pretty poorly, so, how could he be over rated?

He's over rated by people that like him, and properly rated by most others...

Randy Jackson says" He's just all right for me... what do you think paula?"

Then Simon says "Joey, you sound like you should be playing in a karoke bar."








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cableman26 wrote:

zen_drummer wrote:

I'd need to know who rated him, and what the rating was!

Most people that I know rate him pretty poorly, so, how could he be over rated?

He's over rated by people that like him, and properly rated by most others...

Randy Jackson says" He's just all right for me... what do you think paula?"

Then Simon says "Joey, you sound like you should be playing in a karoke bar."

bang on! you gotta love simon! (big up for the brit!!)

but you cant really knock joey. he aint that bad. at least he took that silly mask off in the end!








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Definitely Underrated!

how?

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Definitely Underrated!

yes please explain

Personally, I don't think he is overrated or underrated. He is a good drummer for the genre he is in and has been know to branch out from there. The guy from 3 in of Blood was learning from him and he's had to fill in for Korn and Metallica. Guys that suck can't do stuff like that. Now does the younger fan base think to much of him, yes, my son is one of them.








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Here it is. take or leave it.

I think joey deserves the unique title of being both one of the most underrated and overrated metal drummers around. Hes a good drummer. Hes got some nice chops, his playing is damn clean, his parts always fit the music. and hes pretty damn fast. Yet how many kids swear that he sucks, he cant play anything and anyone that likes slipknot even a little bit (i love the first 2 albums) needs to stop likeing them and listen to george kollias all day. On the other hand we have the obvious. which is the kids who litterally think hes the best drumer in the world (im not joking) or the fastest in the world, "better than mike portnoy". you know. that kinda stuff.








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I feel that Slipknot is a talented enough band that they do not need to rely on the Gwar-like theatrics that they have become famous for. The gimmicks are a distraction and drive me away from the band's music.

not a fan at all but i do give him credit for wat he can do beind a kit








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I think Joey is a good drummer. He has played with Slipnkot and filled in for Metallica, Korn and Ministry. Knowing how Al Jorgenson of Ministry is, that tells me how good a drummer he really is. Is he the best drummer ever? No, but he is good because if you think about it, those bands don't really aound anything alike.








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He is good, but hes not great. My vote goes for overrated.








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I think Joey is a good drummer. He has played with Slipnkot and filled in for Metallica, Korn and Ministry. Knowing how Al Jorgenson of Ministry is, that tells me how good a drummer he really is. Is he the best drummer ever? No, but he is good because if you think about it, those bands don't really aound anything alike.

This I agree with.








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Bong wrote:

Timekeep69 wrote:

I think Joey is a good drummer. He has played with Slipnkot and filled in for Metallica, Korn and Ministry. Knowing how Al Jorgenson of Ministry is, that tells me how good a drummer he really is. Is he the best drummer ever? No, but he is good because if you think about it, those bands don't really aound anything alike.

This I agree with.

I have to agree with this also. When he filled in for Metallica he didn't have much time to prepare so that shows confidence. He's a showman too which goes with Slipknot's style. I didn't used to like Slipknot because, being the old fogey I am, I'm not really interested in all that theatrical nonsense. However, seeing past that, they're actually a really talented band. I think Mr Jordison's best is yet to come though.

Just my 2 cents.

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hes a great drummer no doubt about that!
but hes over rated to FUCK! the success of slipknot made people think hes better than he is

over rated but he can play








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He's definately a good drummer, it just gets me annoyed when people claim he's the best drummer in the world. Which he's just not. Definately worth his fame though. Fast, always fits the music (not a wanker), pretty clean.








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Not just yet though. He's good for what he plays but as for the best drummer in the world... I dont think so!








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personally hes one of my favs but hes really neither cus people love to hate him and alot of people just are really into his drumming hes got good speed but whats most impressive to me is he maintains speed while being really structurally sound, hes not sloppy at all, just please follow my link and listen even if ur not a fan u will be impressed and if ur not ur just jelouse!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VjfK9p036SM

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worst thing that has happened to a thing i like to call "music".

your the worst thing to happen to your parents.

But in all seriousness I agree with most people on this, he is a pretty damn solid drummer, decently versatile and hes got nice chops too. Definitely underrated and overrated in too many situations.








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who has the following of a guitarist

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Honestly, he's neither. No drummer is either over rated or under rated. There is no concrete rating system in which to base any sort of rating upon for ANY drummer. We haven't heard him play jazz, funk, pop punk, punk, oldies, classical...we've heard him play metal and that's it. It's plain and simple. He plays metal very damn well and clean. He does what is asked of in the music and what is required.

How many other drummers in the world do people say are the best in the world?

THOUSANDS.

So just because some 13 year old says he's the best in the world, doesn't mean anything. I happen to think Danny Carey is the best in the world...IN MY OPINION. But he's not. No one is.

By genre of music, Joey does a FANTASTIC job. But in general, he's fast, clean, and proper to the music being played. He's not under rated or over rated. He wasn't a first round draft pick of drummers.

There is NOT ONE DRUMMER out there that is the best in the world. When someone says it, ignore it or realize, to THEM that individual is. Big deal. I used to think Chad Sexton was the best ever...you know how many people don't? THOUSANDS, if not more. But he does what is required for the music.

ADD EDIT: And to be honest, I really don't like the over/under rated business. There is no basis for it, no "square one" if you will. Are they good or not at what they do? Yes, Joey is good at what he does.








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Dude, Steve Gadd IS the best, and, uhh, no argument.

Personally, I like Joey. I think his playing is extremely tight and clean, and I have yet to hear a run that wavers in tempo and feel. He's an accomplished drummer. I mean, I used to be into him like non other, and I've tried to play some of those Slipknot songs. It's no walk in the park. So, he's got something going for him.

Is he underrated/overrated? Who knows. In the wide world of drumming, EVERY drummer is underrated and overrated in their own way. To a metal drummer, Jimmy Cobb is a vastly overrated drummer, whereas to a Jazz drummer, Dave Lombardo is a vastly overrated drummer. I think Chick Webb is a hugely underrated drummer, but if you aren't a Jazz drummer, you'd think, "Who?" I personally think John Dolyamen is underrated, but those outside of the alternative/Metal scene wouldn't know who that was (For those wondering, Chick Webb was a Jazz drummer in the early 1900s who had horrible back problems that made him almost hunchback, but still could whoop the pants off any Big Band chart put in front of him. John is the drummer from System Of A Down).

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chick webb actually was a hunchback. he had a degenerative disease. He was also completely awesome. buddy rich consistently swore that chick webb was the best drummer he'd ever heard. guy was a total freaking monster. he also started ella fitzgerald's career.

sleep now please! damn insomnia.

is that why buddy was always leant over the kit?... i think he had a bad drumming posture... damn good though








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SimpleRem wrote:

Alan_ wrote:

chick webb actually was a hunchback. he had a degenerative disease. He was also completely awesome. buddy rich consistently swore that chick webb was the best drummer he'd ever heard. guy was a total freaking monster. he also started ella fitzgerald's career.

sleep now please! damn insomnia.

is that why buddy was always leant over the kit?... i think he had a bad drumming posture... damn good though

actually, buddy had terrible back problems. I often wonder if it was due to his posture on the kit, or if maybe his posture was a result of his back problems. how that man could perform while in excruciating pain...I'm kind of a "show must go on" type myself, and always took inspiration from his resilience. I played a show once with a 102.5 degree fever. I collapsed and had to be taken to the emergency room, where they found my fever had risen to a hair over 103 degrees. true story. I'm probably lucky to not have suffered brain damage...well, any more than I already have.








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Alan_ wrote:

chick webb actually was a hunchback. he had a degenerative disease. He was also completely awesome. buddy rich consistently swore that chick webb was the best drummer he'd ever heard. guy was a total freaking monster. he also started ella fitzgerald's career.

sleep now please! damn insomnia.

Yeah, I was close. I haven't forgot everything from my History of Jazz class. He was amazing.

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SimpleRem wrote:

Alan_ wrote:

chick webb actually was a hunchback. he had a degenerative disease. He was also completely awesome. buddy rich consistently swore that chick webb was the best drummer he'd ever heard. guy was a total freaking monster. he also started ella fitzgerald's career.

sleep now please! damn insomnia.

is that why buddy was always leant over the kit?... i think he had a bad drumming posture... damn good though

actually, buddy had terrible back problems. I often wonder if it was due to his posture on the kit, or if maybe his posture was a result of his back problems. how that man could perform while in excruciating pain...I'm kind of a "show must go on" type myself, and always took inspiration from his resilience. I played a show once with a 102.5 degree fever. I collapsed and had to be taken to the emergency room, where they found my fever had risen to a hair over 103 degrees. true story. I'm probably lucky to not have suffered brain damage...well, any more than I already have.

Yeh me to... but i thimk buddy used his posture to his advantage

i had to play an 8 song set on an office chair with wheels the other week... man that was fun

as for your feaver thing, that must of really scared you, but you gotta be a good drummer to carry on as it were.








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he's good at what he does.
When you see/hear him play with KoRn he sounds so... out of place and their timing seems faster too.
He is overrated but he does deserve some of the credit he gets.
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I'm A big fan. I can see how you all are saying he's over rated... Now i'm not trying to change your mind but the people who like him don't just like him for slipknot. he has a few other band s that he plays guitar for. If you really want to judge him do it from musical talent then look at the CD that road runner records put out for their 25th year celebration. He wrote alot of music parts including other instruments. The inside booklet tells you who did what and the DVD lets you see into the 4 team captins lives... Joey (Nathen) Jordison is a great musician, and he has a gift.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/RRUnited/
I Really recomend this album to any metal fan new and old....








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I remember when I first started playing drums and I dug out one of my ol Metallica albums, and I thought Lars' drumming was amazing! ...Then I put on Slipknot's selftitled after not listening to it for years, and I was like "fuuuucccckkkk!!!!" .
I was a massive Slipknot fan when they just came out when I didnt play drums, not really taking much notice of their playing. Then once you take up drumming thats the first thing your ears lock onto when you hear a song!