It appears howpirate has discovered a shadow of a stagg logo on his saluda crash. Now i dont know why the thread was deleted. but this needs be be known and not buried. some people may not have a problem with that type of thing. but i do. It doesnt sound like recycling it sounds like fraud and i'd like some more information on it before its buried away forever.








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I deleted it Dose.

I'm worried about giving Saluda some major negative rep as this has spilled over already, into the PDF.

Luckily I'm a member on there as well.








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

So what's the deal Brian? PM me. P.O.Y!








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i suggest you skip the email, and give him a call. this sounds crazy








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I'd really love to know as well...if no one posts it in fear of giving Saluda a bad name, can someone PM me with info on it when they find out?








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xdoseonex wrote:

i suggest you skip the email, and give him a call. this sounds crazy

He's a busy man. I've tried to call him like 4 times. I shall wait.








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

ya hes busy preparing my voodoo china!!

Hey this is my first post on this forum, so hello! This situation has really got me thinking. I have been a Saluda endorser for a year now and have been satisfied with the service and product so far.








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Jamie just messaged me and all is resolved.








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

Howepirate wrote:

Good news is coming.



Jamie just messaged me and all is resolved.

well??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????








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Kind of late though, the feathers are all out of the pillow. You wont ever get them all back inside.








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ThePloughman

ThePloughman wrote:

Duct Tape, Moongells, and Remos...... with pinstripes

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Check this out
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=196158

ThePloughman wrote:

Kind of late though, the feathers are all out of the pillow. You wont ever get them all back inside.

What happened happened. all he did was tell it like it is. so if the feathers are out of the pillow. too bad








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xdoseonex wrote:

ThePloughman wrote:

Kind of late though, the feathers are all out of the pillow. You wont ever get them all back inside.

What happened happened. all he did was tell it like it is. so if the feathers are out of the pillow. too bad

Thank you, Dose.

God I don't like this old guy critisizin...


Whatever, Jamie said he would post something on the forums to make a statement about the confusion.








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Drums are fun, cars are sick, music is great, and life is alright.

"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

We knew this was coming due to things that happened in the past year or so. I have posted most of this on forums before but I will elaborate due to the logo and just so people can know more about us. I know our web site is vague, at least to us it is vague.

First, I have always had a very public stance that we buy our cymbals from China and Turkey. Today this is around 60/40, up from 50/50 a year ago.

Unfortunately, we can't do our own casting and we are at least 5 years away from doing this (within regulations). So we have to find companies that will cast for us. We used to purchase almost everything from China in the beginning, then we only purchased from Turkey and things were wonderful. Almost all of the original Mists were Turkish. We also had a prototype "I" series that used to have a diamond cymbal under the bell. This was going to be our Diamond series with beautiful deep and plentiful hammering. However, something happened that was really odd and this plant suddenly stopped doing business with us. We have no idea what happened but it put us in a really bad position (much worse than this current situation). So, we had to find a new factory. We found a plant in China that was great and they did everything within our designs and they would make adjustments and they really worked great with us. To this day, we still use this factory.

Years later, we found a very good supplier in Turkey that also works with us very well and we still use this factory today. Why do we use 2 factories? We learned the very hard way that if one goes down, we have to have a back up.

Then the stagg brand came a long and become this factory's biggest customer. We all of a sudden started getting in cymbal blanks with 'stagg' faintly on them. We didn't even catch this until an endorser mentioned this to us. We were shocked because there are some cymbals that we get from the factory that comes with the top finish on it that we don't touch and we do all customizing from the bottom side. We were even more shocked when we realized that there are a lot of these type cymbals floating around. So, I wasn't shocked at all when Brian mentioned he found a cymbal with stagg faintly on it. Even though there are tons of companies that do this sort of thing, why would we ever want anyone to know any of this? Because it makes us look like a lesser cymbal crafting company. But again, we can't cast our own blanks so we have to rely on cymbal factories to do most of the foundry work for us.

Are we stagg? Are we a Turkish type company? No to both. We just get the best blanks we can get and modify them to what customers want. All cymbals are lathed and hammered and about 50% of these are even retempered to adjust tone. We also reshape some cymbals but not as much as one might expect. We use pneumatic and hand hammering for our hammering and we put tons of time into each cymbal to make it as best for the customers desires as possible.

We actually started modifying cymbals in 2000 with the SH series. We were in a sense custom back then, but we couldn't do hardly anything with sound modification compared to today.

Is this embarrassing? Oh Yes! But, we are in this position because we can't roll the alloy. We can do the melting and mixing, but it stops at this point. Then we pick up after the cymbal has some of its beginning hammering, then we can do everything afterward, like lathing, any type of hammering, minor adjustments to shaping and retempering. We thought about asking for donations to afford a roller, but I would rather learn everything I can about the latter stages of cymbal modification and sound control before getting into rolling.

So what is Saluda in my eyes? It is a company that takes cymbal descriptions and creates such a cymbal for anyone. We know the type of sound we have and we know our ability to create excellent sounding cymbals.

If anyone has any questions at all, please PM or email me at info@saludacymbals.com.

Jamie

Well, there you have it, thanks for the reply Jamie.








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The old man has a right to call a dumbass decision for what it was. Same as anyone else has the right to disagree with my opinion.

And really, could anyone else have deleted a thread like you started after it had a dozen posts on it? If I would have been stuck with that,........you should have been stuck with it.








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ThePloughman

ThePloughman wrote:

Duct Tape, Moongells, and Remos...... with pinstripes

Rogers Drums USA

Check this out
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=196158

thank you for clearing stuff up jamie

There you go. With that said I'll still be ordering my 10 mist X's in the near future. Thats alot of cymbals to be getting from a company that you have so little expereince with. I had to know








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No matter how understanding anyone is to this situation, I still find it unpleasant that we have to do business in this manner. It is something that nags me daily because I know I don't have 100% control over the cymbal foundry work and because I know there are so many people who will never give Saluda a chance because we can't make a cymbal from scratch.

Saluda is definitely not complete yet. We work on cymbal development daily. We have come so far in the past few years (especially the past year), but we have so far to go that it can be discouraging.

Hopefully our custom side of things is what attracts people. There are only two companies in the US that can touch modify a cymbal and we are glad to be one of them. We just hope to be a full cymbal foundry one day that we can even sell blanks to other individuals so they can have fun at the art of making cymbals.

Jamie

shine.fm-youth wrote:

thank you for clearing stuff up jamie

SaludaCymbals wrote:

No matter how understanding anyone is to this situation, I still find it unpleasant that we have to do business in this manner. It is something that nags me daily because I know I don't have 100% control over the cymbal foundry work and because I know there are so many people who will never give Saluda a chance because we can't make a cymbal from scratch.

Saluda is definitely not complete yet. We work on cymbal development daily. We have come so far in the past few years (especially the past year), but we have so far to go that it can be discouraging.

Hopefully our custom side of things is what attracts people. There are only two companies in the US that can touch modify a cymbal and we are glad to be one of them. We just hope to be a full cymbal foundry one day that we can even sell blanks to other individuals so they can have fun at the art of making cymbals.

Jamie

shine.fm-youth wrote:

thank you for clearing stuff up jamie

that would be really fun,
and all i can say is that i love my saludas
i will continue to play them
and give drummers a good word about them

SaludaCymbals wrote:

No matter how understanding anyone is to this situation, I still find it unpleasant that we have to do business in this manner. It is something that nags me daily because I know I don't have 100% control over the cymbal foundry work and because I know there are so many people who will never give Saluda a chance because we can't make a cymbal from scratch.

Saluda is definitely not complete yet. We work on cymbal development daily. We have come so far in the past few years (especially the past year), but we have so far to go that it can be discouraging.

Hopefully our custom side of things is what attracts people. There are only two companies in the US that can touch modify a cymbal and we are glad to be one of them. We just hope to be a full cymbal foundry one day that we can even sell blanks to other individuals so they can have fun at the art of making cymbals.

Jamie

shine.fm-youth wrote:

thank you for clearing stuff up jamie

I feel no less interested in doing business with you in the future. PJ, Kevin, and Brian are people whos opinions I value, and based on what they have said, I will be in touch soon. Are you going to make the convention this summer? If so, PM me and we can work some stuff out. It's gonna be a blast!








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Well Jamie, I sincerely apologize for this getting a bit out of hand. On the bright side however, people will understand why a Stagg logo might appear on their Saluda cymbals.


Hopefully, I have done enough advertising to people on forum boards and in my town that I have outweighed any losses generated by this confusion. 99% of people I talk to have never heard of the company and I stop at nothing to enlighten them.


Thanks for clearing everything up, Jamie. I hope you frequent us with your presence on this forum board like you do on the PDF .








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Question whats PDF?








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Question whats PDF?

Pearl Drummers Forum








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

Oh thanks








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Hey My names Dave
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thanks jamie for clearing that up, i so excited to get my mist-x's tomorrow








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ThePloughman wrote:

The old man has a right to call a dumbass decision for what it was. Same as anyone else has the right to disagree with my opinion.

And really, could anyone else have deleted a thread like you started after it had a dozen posts on it? If I would have been stuck with that,........you should have been stuck with it.

i have seen countless times people mouthing you for just stating your opinion. almost every occasion, i have found things you have said to be either personal opinion, very accurate, and usually very helpful. alot of people on here give you a hard time, but i respect you a whole lot more than most people on here.








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