What is your opinion on orange county drums? overpriced? Worth the money? I have heard they are very similar to DW????








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I'd do a search. There are a ton of threads on here discussing Orange County Drums.








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Basically, the general consensus is that they're way over-priced considering the fact that the use the same materials from the same suppliers as just about every other quality built Keller shell drum. Check out Medicine Man Custom Drums, user/Mod TimeKeep69 is the builder. You can find a few examples of his work here on the forum and it looks outstanding, for an unbelievable price.








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SGarrett wrote:

Discussing...and dissing.

Basically, the general consensus is that they're way over-priced considering the fact that the use the same materials from the same suppliers as just about every other quality built Keller shell drum. Check out Medicine Man Custom Drums, user/Mod TimeKeep69 is the builder. You can find a few examples of his work here on the forum and it looks outstanding, for an unbelievable price.

Do they have a website? Ill try google








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i'd say basically what they price their stuff for is the radical options. from what i've seen, i think that ocdp has the widest variety of custom - but that's just opinion, i haven't nearly seen it all. but i'd agree that it's overpriced. though travis barker's acrylic kit is perty amazing sounding...








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I agree that they are over priced. but i also think their players are overrated. i mean c'mon Travis Barker. If you want to go custom, pick a cheaper brand( in my opinion better brand) i.e. Medicine Man, Dark Horse Percussion, Precision Drums. you will get the same or even better quality, for half the price








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Catsorpiebald wrote:

I agree that they are over priced. but i also think their players are overrated. i mean c'mon Travis Barker. If you want to go custom, pick a cheaper brand( in my opinion better brand) i.e. Medicine Man, Dark Horse Percussion, Precision Drums. you will get the same or even better quality, for half the price

he doesn't care how much he spends... OCDP prolly pays him to use their crappy drums and make them "look good".
well he didn't accomplish that very well for me....

plus he is making pretty good dough, im pretty sure he could care less.








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Catsorpiebald wrote:

I agree that they are over priced. but i also think their players are overrated. i mean c'mon Travis Barker. If you want to go custom, pick a cheaper brand( in my opinion better brand) i.e. Medicine Man, Dark Horse Percussion, Precision Drums. you will get the same or even better quality, for half the price

he doesn't care how much he spends... OCDP prolly pays him to use their crappy drums and make them "look good".
well he didn't accomplish that very well for me....

plus he is making pretty good dough, im pretty sure he could care less.

True, True... but i wasnt talking about it from Barker's perspective. i was just stating that i dont like him. that was all my opinion.









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Take DW over OCDP. I haven't heard of DW's lugs being absolute shit.








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Theyre really great drums. But you can get a really great drum made from the same quality parts, and even the same parts for much less money. Basically your kinda paying alot for the name. Great drums though








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i have a friend who's been playing his DW kit for quite a while, but decided to "step up" to an SJC. is that just another overpriced ocdp clone, or are those worth the money (and the wait!!) ? i'd ask him, but he's on tour all the time and i never see the guy








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qfierasoy wrote:

i have a friend who's been playing his DW kit for quite a while, but decided to "step up" to an SJC. is that just another overpriced ocdp clone, or are those worth the money (and the wait!!) ? i'd ask him, but he's on tour all the time and i never see the guy

yeah, they are overpriced, I would definitely pick SJC over Orange County, but i would also pick DW over both of them








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I would go with SJC over Orange County too. Their Butcher Hoop kits look great.








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Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

I have an OCDP. HATE IT. It's an absolute piece of shit and nightmare. Their CS is about as good as Sprint's reputation for their CS is. I've had my DW's for 6 years (kit and 3 different snare drums), and NEVER had a problem on them. OCDP lugs are cheap, their sound is good, but not worth the money/headache of having stuff break after only 2 shows on 2 seperate occasions. Just say no to OCDP. The only way they are comparable to DW is they are a "high end" drum company. Which I don't think they should be, but having high prices and big artists supporting the name makes them amazing drums. <heavy> go medicine man for all your custom drum needs. PJ's a great guy.








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Why would I want to own something that reeks of drinking coolaid in a jungle?

You simply dont need to drink the coolaid to know the people drinking the coolaid have all gotten sick from drinking the coolaid.

Why would I need to invest thousands of dollars into some random crap ass set of drums just to find out if they really are the crap ass drums that many people who have ownd them testified that they are ?

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johnny.uppercut wrote:

Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

Tell you what. Go to this site, take a look at how much you overpaid on the materials, and then come back to tell us what a great deal you got. Yes, these are the exact same materials that OCDP uses...just like almost every other Keller shell custom maker on the market.

I sold drums for a while, in a pro shop not a GC, and after being around literally 200-300+ kits I can honestly say that there is nothing special about OCDP drums that would require how much they charge. Yes, I have played an OCDP kit. Medicine Man uses the same materials, does a better job, and does it for significantly less money. On top of that, the owner (forum member/Moderator TimeKeep69) actually cares about customer service and making sure his customers get a quality product the first time.








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johnny.uppercut wrote:

Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

Youre such an easy target Mr. Uppercut. Unless you got your kit recently, you are not an owner yet, cept for that one-trick-pony snare you have with the port holes I said this before, that if people are happy with what they spend their money on that is all that matters. When you come on a forum and constantly try to defend OCDP with nothing to back it up, it makes you an easy target. It also makes you look like you dont know what youre talking about. Especially when you compare them to DW. Its an argument you are not going to win. Why do you think there is so much bad talk on the forums about the drums? Its not just this forum. There are actually educated consumers who dont drink the kool-aide

OCDP is lowering their prices? Guess they've seen the writing on the wall because they seem to be getting their asses handed to them.....especially in this economy. Lets just do a quick comparison between DW and OCDP shall we.

1. Make their own shells: DW
2. Make their own hardware: DW
3. Are industry innovators in drum design: DW
4. Use the same hardware as other companies: OCDP
5. Use the same shells as other companies: OCDP
6. Proven track record and credibility: DW
7. High price tag: DW and OCDP

I dont know about you my friend, but the only thing I see they have in common with DW is the high price tag. I also see they have a lot in common with other botique/custom drum companies. I would also bet they are sweating bullets over there because their image is loosing its shine and their credibility has taken some major hits. They better do something to change the tide. Lowering their prices is a good start. If true.

They make some pretty drums....Ill give em that. Im sure they sound good as well. But unique and of higher quality than most other companies? Youre dreamin.

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johnny.uppercut wrote:

Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

Youre such an easy target Mr. Uppercut. Unless you got your kit recently, you are not an owner yet, cept for that one-trick-pony snare you have with the port holes I said this before, that if people are happy with what they spend their money on that is all that matters. When you come on a forum and constantly try to defend OCDP with nothing to back it up, it makes you an easy target. It also makes you look like you dont know what youre talking about. Especially when you compare them to DW. Its an argument you are not going to win. Why do you think there is so much bad talk on the forums about the drums? Its not just this forum. There are actually educated consumers who dont drink the kool-aide

OCDP is lowering their prices? Guess they've seen the writing on the wall because they seem to be getting their asses handed to them.....especially in this economy. Lets just do a quick comparison between DW and OCDP shall we.

1. Make their own shells: DW
2. Make their own hardware: DW
3. Are industry innovators in drum design: DW
4. Use the same hardware as other companies: OCDP
5. Use the same shells as other companies: OCDP
6. Proven track record and credibility: DW
7. High price tag: DW and OCDP

I dont know about you my friend, but the only thing I see they have in common with DW is the high price tag. I also see they have a lot in common with other botique/custom drum companies. I would also bet they are sweating bullets over there because their image is loosing its shine and their credibility has taken some major hits. They better do something to change the tide. Lowering their prices is a good start. If true.

They make some pretty drums....Ill give em that. Im sure they sound good as well. But unique and of higher quality than most other companies? Youre dreamin.

~S

You know what's funny is all the DW kits I've seen (minus the Timeless Timber sets) are ALL cheaper than the OCDP kits, so in general, OCDP is way more expensive and DW's are typically around $3-4k on average. They are both expensive I will agree though, but getting a quality set requires money and knowledge of the company, which we all know.








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nightcrawler_steve wrote:

johnny.uppercut wrote:

Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

Youre such an easy target Mr. Uppercut. Unless you got your kit recently, you are not an owner yet, cept for that one-trick-pony snare you have with the port holes I said this before, that if people are happy with what they spend their money on that is all that matters. When you come on a forum and constantly try to defend OCDP with nothing to back it up, it makes you an easy target. It also makes you look like you dont know what youre talking about. Especially when you compare them to DW. Its an argument you are not going to win. Why do you think there is so much bad talk on the forums about the drums? Its not just this forum. There are actually educated consumers who dont drink the kool-aide

OCDP is lowering their prices? Guess they've seen the writing on the wall because they seem to be getting their asses handed to them.....especially in this economy. Lets just do a quick comparison between DW and OCDP shall we.

1. Make their own shells: DW
2. Make their own hardware: DW
3. Are industry innovators in drum design: DW
4. Use the same hardware as other companies: OCDP
5. Use the same shells as other companies: OCDP
6. Proven track record and credibility: DW
7. High price tag: DW and OCDP

I dont know about you my friend, but the only thing I see they have in common with DW is the high price tag. I also see they have a lot in common with other botique/custom drum companies. I would also bet they are sweating bullets over there because their image is loosing its shine and their credibility has taken some major hits. They better do something to change the tide. Lowering their prices is a good start. If true.

They make some pretty drums....Ill give em that. Im sure they sound good as well. But unique and of higher quality than most other companies? Youre dreamin.

~S

I defend the product because i personally think it is worth the money. Granted i got a deal on mine and paid less than anyone here would have.
Im just sick of losers that think they are crap - mainly people that have never used them.
It seems that this forum is the "Old and shitty brand fanboy" forum - where if it was made after 1960 its not worth owning.

I hope none of my younger drummer mates sign up here, you guys would most likely cause them to quit with your incessant flaming... not that you yanks really care...

At least people over on the pearl drummers forum have at least some respect for peers than you all.

They drink more coolaid.


Dude, .......... they play PEARL............... its like.... they buy into a MASTERS, REFERANCE, MASTERWORKS ......... absolute top of the line, you cant buy no better series of drums for anyprice, and charge you extra not to drill holes in the bass drum and put in bottom of the line entry level tom arms. ummm K.








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johnny.uppercut wrote:

nightcrawler_steve wrote:

johnny.uppercut wrote:

Okay, does anyone her ACTUALLY OWN AN OCDP???

How can you bag something that most of you have NEVER played.


As an *OCDP OWNER* and someone who has owned a DW and a Pearl Masters i can give actual information rather than " I read on another forum that blah blah blah."

Now, After using the pearl masters and the DW and the OCDP - guess which one i still have...

The OCDP - I cant fault it in any way/shape or form. They are worth the money, and the prices have actually dropped in the last few months, they are more affordable than some other custom or pre-made kits.

Youre such an easy target Mr. Uppercut. Unless you got your kit recently, you are not an owner yet, cept for that one-trick-pony snare you have with the port holes I said this before, that if people are happy with what they spend their money on that is all that matters. When you come on a forum and constantly try to defend OCDP with nothing to back it up, it makes you an easy target. It also makes you look like you dont know what youre talking about. Especially when you compare them to DW. Its an argument you are not going to win. Why do you think there is so much bad talk on the forums about the drums? Its not just this forum. There are actually educated consumers who dont drink the kool-aide

OCDP is lowering their prices? Guess they've seen the writing on the wall because they seem to be getting their asses handed to them.....especially in this economy. Lets just do a quick comparison between DW and OCDP shall we.

1. Make their own shells: DW
2. Make their own hardware: DW
3. Are industry innovators in drum design: DW
4. Use the same hardware as other companies: OCDP
5. Use the same shells as other companies: OCDP
6. Proven track record and credibility: DW
7. High price tag: DW and OCDP

I dont know about you my friend, but the only thing I see they have in common with DW is the high price tag. I also see they have a lot in common with other botique/custom drum companies. I would also bet they are sweating bullets over there because their image is loosing its shine and their credibility has taken some major hits. They better do something to change the tide. Lowering their prices is a good start. If true.

They make some pretty drums....Ill give em that. Im sure they sound good as well. But unique and of higher quality than most other companies? Youre dreamin.

~S

I defend the product because i personally think it is worth the money. Granted i got a deal on mine and paid less than anyone here would have.
Im just sick of losers that think they are crap - mainly people that have never used them.
It seems that this forum is the "Old and shitty brand fanboy" forum - where if it was made after 1960 its not worth owning.

I hope none of my younger drummer mates sign up here, you guys would most likely cause them to quit with your incessant flaming... not that you yanks really care...

At least people over on the pearl drummers forum have at least some respect for peers than you all.

Are you sure you've spent any reasonable time at either board? There's a thread going on PDF right now slamming OCDP drums! PDF drummers have respect? You gotta be kidding me. One of my endorsers posted pics of his kit and got slammed. Over on PDF, if it's not a C&C, Truth, SJC or Epiarch custom kit, it's shit. PDF is a decent board because SLIPKNOT1 is a really cool guy but most of the people who post on there remind me of the old Evans and MX board.








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johnny.uppercut wrote:

I defend the product because i personally think it is worth the money. Granted i got a deal on mine and paid less than anyone here would have.
Im just sick of losers that think they are crap - mainly people that have never used them.
It seems that this forum is the "Old and shitty brand fanboy" forum - where if it was made after 1960 its not worth owning.

I hope none of my younger drummer mates sign up here, you guys would most likely cause them to quit with your incessant flaming... not that you yanks really care...

At least people over on the pearl drummers forum have at least some respect for peers than you all.

i actually think the people on this board are way more respectful and way less likely to flame posters than any other board i've posted on...

and in regards to the comment along the lines of dml posters saying "if your drums weren't made in the 60's they're crap"...

huh? what? who? where?

most talk on this board revolves around modern drums made by modern drum builders.

the 'vintage' catagory has 65 topics in it, for christ's sake.

very few people say ocdp drums suck. most say they're extremely overpriced for what they are. it's very hard to dispute this.









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I've never ragged on modern drums, sorry if I like my old luddys.

All I've ever said about Orange County is that for their new prices I could get a nice set of something less generic. for that kind of price I'd better be getting exotic hardwood shells made in-house and/or proprietary hardware. Some of their finishes are SICK, but I have pretty simple tastes where finishes are concerned. If I saw some of their gear for sale used at a decent price I wouldn't turn my nose up at it if it sounded good. For their new prices I could get a set of Bradys. Also, I just don't think a 4,000 ply snare drum with huge vents is something I'd like to own.








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johnny.uppercut wrote:

I defend the product because i personally think it is worth the money. Granted i got a deal on mine and paid less than anyone here would have.
Im just sick of losers that think they are crap - mainly people that have never used them.
It seems that this forum is the "Old and shitty brand fanboy" forum - where if it was made after 1960 its not worth owning.

I hope none of my younger drummer mates sign up here, you guys would most likely cause them to quit with your incessant flaming... not that you yanks really care...

At least people over on the pearl drummers forum have at least some respect for peers than you all.

Do I sense self victimization? I do believe so.

It has nothing to do with what year the drums were made in and everything to do with not wanting to a ridiculously high upcharge for the exact same product that several other custom builders put out. It's not wanting to the same or more than, as Alan said, companies that make their own shells and have proprietary hardware and the ability to do finishes the independent guys usually can't touch. There are also a lot of people who own OCDP drums who complain about their customer service. So far, I only see fanboy in this topic and it would appear to be you. Hell dude, we've even freely and highly endorsed Medicine Man Custom Drums in this topic and we do so all over this forum. Why? Because PJ (TimeKeep) does outstanding work with the same materials that OCDP uses from the same suppliers, truly cares about his customers and providing the best customer service he can, and he does it all for a super low price. So please tell me why spending $3-4k on labor for a kit that cost $1000-1200 in materials is such a good deal.

Want to see what suppliers they use?

http://amdrumparts.com/
http://drummaker.com/

Feel free to price out the materials of your kit so you can see exactly how much they over-charge.








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SGarrett wrote:

Want to see what suppliers they use?

http://amdrumparts.com/
http://drummaker.com/

Feel free to price out the materials of your kit so you can see exactly how much they over-charge.

i'd take it one step further and say that ocdp actually pay a decent amount less than amdrumparts or drummaker charges simply because of the amount of materials they buy.

amdrumparts.com doesn't discount to anyone, drummaker discounts 20% to companies.








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Dude, .......... they play PEARL............... its like.... they buy into a MASTERS, REFERANCE, MASTERWORKS ......... absolute top of the line, you cant buy no better series of drums for anyprice, and charge you extra not to drill holes in the bass drum and put in bottom of the line entry level tom arms. ummm K.

My pearl tom arms destroy the mounts on any rogers drum. Theyre 10 times more stable than most other tom mounts you'll see. and they can be positioned as well as any ball and socket mount. I havent seen any other company come up with a designt that can isolate the mount from the drum, be positioned anywhere and once you lock it down, DOES NOT MOVE








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amdrumparts.com doesn't discount to anyone, drummaker discounts 20% to companies.

just curious... wouldn't a company as large as ocdp buy directly from keller.... or do they still have to go through a company like drummaker?

Some places will only sell to their distributors. I don't know if Keller's like that, but a lot are...DW is one, for example.








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If the company is buying enough volume they can probably buy direct from Keller and Worldmax. I know Precision is an actual Keller dealer.








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I Think OCDP Look Good, But It Depends What Style You Play If You Want To Get Them, Eg. Travis Barker's Kit Sounds Nice With OCDP, Whereas Joey Jordison's Old OCDP Kit Was Only Alright, Hence His Change To Pearl. But Thats Not Fact, Thats Just My Opinion/Guess.

xdoseonex wrote:

ThePloughman wrote:

They drink more coolaid.


Dude, .......... they play PEARL............... its like.... they buy into a MASTERS, REFERANCE, MASTERWORKS ......... absolute top of the line, you cant buy no better series of drums for anyprice, and charge you extra not to drill holes in the bass drum and put in bottom of the line entry level tom arms. ummm K.

My pearl tom arms destroy the mounts on any rogers drum. Theyre 10 times more stable than most other tom mounts you'll see. and they can be positioned as well as any ball and socket mount. I havent seen any other company come up with a designt that can isolate the mount from the drum, be positioned anywhere and once you lock it down, DOES NOT MOVE

Your Pearl Tom arms............... ARE Rogers design. Sorry to break that stunning news story. Pearl aped Rogers. They have never changed their basic copy cat design. Your Pearl mounts dont destroy the Rogers mount design....... They ARE. The only thing Pearl has done since the late 70s, is to incorporate an Isolation system into the ROGERS design they copied. However, that TWO PIPE receiver mount on top of pearl drums, is entirely their own design. their own application. If you go back to 78=79 you will find a pearl mount that used a single post and a plate clamp that mounted the Tom Arms in it like the Rogers Memrilock set up. Pearl did not make theirs sturdy enough and so in the next phase of design, went to the two pipe POS they still use.

As for stability........... the Rogers SWivomatic, or Rogers Memrilock.........is much more preferable to me. And nothing I own says Pearl.








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