Hey guys,
i'm going up to my local drum dealer (Billy Hydes) tomorrow and i'm lookin on changing my snare
I own a Pearl Export Elx 6 Piece, and personally i think my snare is not the best sounding thing i've heard.
I'm using my kit in a small home studio which is used to record myself and my brothers band.

As stupid as it sounds, and as risky as it is to say, i am considering a jj signature.
And to add to this, its on ebay for a half of the price it sells for normally.
I'm going to the store to try it out before i buy it, because the bidding ends tomorrow, and i'd rather have a hit with it in real life before buying it.
I've only played this snare once, and i didn't really like it, but that was pretty much definetely because of bad tuning.

So any tips or help would be awesome.
Btw, i'm a drummer for a progressive metal band and, for the record, i'm a die hard dream theater fan.
Anyway, i'm looking for something that cuts through with a deep sort of 'pop' kind of sound, and was wondering if the joey would suit this.

Thanks

Get new heads for your ELX snare and call it a day. You already have a drum that will do the job better than the Joey Snare.








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zen_drummer wrote:

Get new heads for your ELX snare and call it a day. You already have a drum that will do the job better than the Joey Snare.

i've done than three times dude
tried an emperor, a power center reverse, and now im using an ec snare with a hazy 300.
no luck...

lildrummer_94 wrote:

Hey guys,
i'm going up to my local drum dealer (Billy Hydes) tomorrow and i'm lookin on changing my snare
I own a Pearl Export Elx 6 Piece, and personally i think my snare is not the best sounding thing i've heard.
I'm using my kit in a small home studio which is used to record myself and my brothers band.

As stupid as it sounds, and as risky as it is to say, i am considering a jj signature.
And to add to this, its on ebay for a half of the price it sells for normally.
I'm going to the store to try it out before i buy it, because the bidding ends tomorrow, and i'd rather have a hit with it in real life before buying it.
I've only played this snare once, and i didn't really like it, but that was pretty much definetely because of bad tuning.

So any tips or help would be awesome.
Btw, i'm a drummer for a progressive metal band and, for the record, i'm a die hard dream theater fan.
Anyway, i'm looking for something that cuts through with a deep sort of 'pop' kind of sound, and was wondering if the joey would suit this.

Thanks

HAHA man i was up there today bagging around on the cymbals !@! its a great store biggest drum shop ive seen greatest bit is its only dedictaed to drums and the guys who work there specialise in percussion!

Hey Marcus! I'm gonna go with Zen on this, Joey's snare although pretty, isn't worth the money. And this isn't a Joey bashing thing either, I personally don't have anything against him and I know Zen doesn't either.

Think of it like this... it's like someone with a beat up old Honda, spending loads of money on a nice paint job and then selling it to anyone who buys a car purely on how shiny it is for loads more.

I would say the tuning is where your problem lies and that's fine, tuning can be a pain in the butt and we all get trouble sometimes. If you need a hand there check this link.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/

I'd give that a go before you spend money on the JJ. I'll bet if you follow the steps and take your time, that snare will sound 100 times better.

If you really want a new snare, I would say it's worth learning about a few top snares then hit ebay and wait for a deal.

I've seen prices around £250 here in the UK for the JJ. I just bought a really well looked after 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic on ebay, second hand, for the equivalent of £176, plus postage from the US. Just over £200 all in.

Now the Supraphonic is the most recorded snare in history, for good reason. It's sounds amazing and is so versatile!

Here's the link to my snare if you're interested. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230242995403&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI

So if we go back to the car analogy, I spent less on a classic sports car in top condition, than you are considering spending on that over priced although nice looking Honda.

It's up to you what you do obviously, but what would you really rather drive?








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I agree with these guys. I own the joey snare And absolutely love the sound i get from it. but if you wanna save money and like these guys said. your snare you have now will do the job. Take it to the store if the guy who works there is a percussion specialist im sure he can tune it up for u real good and just the way you want it!

Rob Crisp wrote:

Hey Marcus! I'm gonna go with Zen on this, Joey's snare although pretty, isn't worth the money. And this isn't a Joey bashing thing either, I personally don't have anything against him and I know Zen doesn't either.

Think of it like this... it's like someone with a beat up old Honda, spending loads of money on a nice paint job and then selling it to anyone who buys a car purely on how shiny it is for loads more.

I would say the tuning is where your problem lies and that's fine, tuning can be a pain in the butt and we all get trouble sometimes. If you need a hand there check this link.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/

I'd give that a go before you spend money on the JJ. I'll bet if you follow the steps and take your time, that snare will sound 100 times better.

If you really want a new snare, I would say it's worth learning about a few top snares then hit ebay and wait for a deal.

I've seen prices around £250 here in the UK for the JJ. I just bought a really well looked after 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic on ebay, second hand, for the equivalent of £176, plus postage from the US. Just over £200 all in.

Now the Supraphonic is the most recorded snare in history, for good reason. It's sounds amazing and is so versatile!

Here's the link to my snare if you're interested. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230242995403&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI

So if we go back to the car analogy, I spent less on a classic sports car in top condition, than you are considering spending on that over priced although nice looking Honda.

It's up to you what you do obviously, but what would you really rather drive?

Thanks man, your a champion for that advice.
After nearly 4 years of playing, 50 percent of that times gone into to tuning, and ive been to private drum tuning lessons, and they were a real help. And yes, haha that websites worked a charm to ( for the rest of my drums anyway :s)
And yeh, i definetely no wat u mean with the hole car theory, not that i drive or anything

Seeing as im pretty young, and don't work, yet, im a bit low on cash, even tho my parents are there to always help out if im in need of something.

And to be honest with you, im not to hyped about slipknot, or joey jordison, although hes a very talented drummer, but i'm in no way getting this snare based on the fact that its his signature, if you might of thort that, its just i've herd quite alot of good things about this snare and the specs seem pretty good, not that this should completely make my mind up about getting one.

Also the fact that its pretty much the most decent (affordable) snare on ebay thats in my area. And i havn't been able to see many good quality ones in my price range atm.

Anyway, i'll go up tomorrow, speak to the guys, see what they think, thankfully these guys are nice and are easy to talk to, which helps.

( They'd wanna be after the amount my families spent there ) hahaha

sjoey1r wrote:

I agree with these guys. I own the joey snare And absolutely love the sound i get from it. but if you wanna save money and like these guys said. your snare you have now will do the job. Take it to the store if the guy who works there is a percussion specialist im sure he can tune it up for u real good and just the way you want it!

Really? Cool man!
I mean, i would love to save my money and possibly invest in something a bit more high end, and i 100 percent agree with you that my snare does the job, of course it does, but i'm just picky when it comes to my drums i gess!!!
I'll take your advice, if the whole getting the jj snare doesn't work out, ill put the money towards getting it properly serviced, along with the rest of my drums,
Thanks man.

lildrummer_94 wrote:

Rob Crisp wrote:

Hey Marcus! I'm gonna go with Zen on this, Joey's snare although pretty, isn't worth the money. And this isn't a Joey bashing thing either, I personally don't have anything against him and I know Zen doesn't either.

Think of it like this... it's like someone with a beat up old Honda, spending loads of money on a nice paint job and then selling it to anyone who buys a car purely on how shiny it is for loads more.

I would say the tuning is where your problem lies and that's fine, tuning can be a pain in the butt and we all get trouble sometimes. If you need a hand there check this link.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/

I'd give that a go before you spend money on the JJ. I'll bet if you follow the steps and take your time, that snare will sound 100 times better.

If you really want a new snare, I would say it's worth learning about a few top snares then hit ebay and wait for a deal.

I've seen prices around £250 here in the UK for the JJ. I just bought a really well looked after 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic on ebay, second hand, for the equivalent of £176, plus postage from the US. Just over £200 all in.

Now the Supraphonic is the most recorded snare in history, for good reason. It's sounds amazing and is so versatile!

Here's the link to my snare if you're interested. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230242995403&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI

So if we go back to the car analogy, I spent less on a classic sports car in top condition, than you are considering spending on that over priced although nice looking Honda.

It's up to you what you do obviously, but what would you really rather drive?

Thanks man, your a champion for that advice.
After nearly 4 years of playing, 50 percent of that times gone into to tuning, and ive been to private drum tuning lessons, and they were a real help. And yes, haha that websites worked a charm to ( for the rest of my drums anyway :s)
And yeh, i definetely no wat u mean with the hole car theory, not that i drive or anything

Seeing as im pretty young, and don't work, yet, im a bit low on cash, even tho my parents are there to always help out if im in need of something.

And to be honest with you, im not to hyped about slipknot, or joey jordison, although hes a very talented drummer, but i'm in no way getting this snare based on the fact that its his signature, if you might of thort that, its just i've herd quite alot of good things about this snare and the specs seem pretty good, not that this should completely make my mind up about getting one.

Also the fact that its pretty much the most decent (affordable) snare on ebay thats in my area. And i havn't been able to see many good quality ones in my price range atm.

Anyway, i'll go up tomorrow, speak to the guys, see what they think, thankfully these guys are nice and are easy to talk to, which helps.

( They'd wanna be after the amount my families spent there ) hahaha

You're welcome!

Like I said give the tuning a go but don't rush into buying snares, or anything for that matter. Make sure you know exactly what you want (although it sounds like you do)

As for the guys in the shop, they may be cool but remember they are there primarily to sell stuff. So they will tell you that JJ's snare is the "best snare around for the money" if they think you're gonna buy it.

I would take your current snare with you as sjoey1r said and ask them to tune it up for you a little. As Zen said the ELX is actually no worse than the JJ, so you should get a sound at least as good as the JJ from it!

What is your price range if you don't mind my asking?








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Rob Crisp wrote:

lildrummer_94 wrote:

Rob Crisp wrote:

Hey Marcus! I'm gonna go with Zen on this, Joey's snare although pretty, isn't worth the money. And this isn't a Joey bashing thing either, I personally don't have anything against him and I know Zen doesn't either.

Think of it like this... it's like someone with a beat up old Honda, spending loads of money on a nice paint job and then selling it to anyone who buys a car purely on how shiny it is for loads more.

I would say the tuning is where your problem lies and that's fine, tuning can be a pain in the butt and we all get trouble sometimes. If you need a hand there check this link.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/

I'd give that a go before you spend money on the JJ. I'll bet if you follow the steps and take your time, that snare will sound 100 times better.

If you really want a new snare, I would say it's worth learning about a few top snares then hit ebay and wait for a deal.

I've seen prices around £250 here in the UK for the JJ. I just bought a really well looked after 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic on ebay, second hand, for the equivalent of £176, plus postage from the US. Just over £200 all in.

Now the Supraphonic is the most recorded snare in history, for good reason. It's sounds amazing and is so versatile!

Here's the link to my snare if you're interested. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230242995403&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI

So if we go back to the car analogy, I spent less on a classic sports car in top condition, than you are considering spending on that over priced although nice looking Honda.

It's up to you what you do obviously, but what would you really rather drive?

Thanks man, your a champion for that advice.
After nearly 4 years of playing, 50 percent of that times gone into to tuning, and ive been to private drum tuning lessons, and they were a real help. And yes, haha that websites worked a charm to ( for the rest of my drums anyway :s)
And yeh, i definetely no wat u mean with the hole car theory, not that i drive or anything

Seeing as im pretty young, and don't work, yet, im a bit low on cash, even tho my parents are there to always help out if im in need of something.

And to be honest with you, im not to hyped about slipknot, or joey jordison, although hes a very talented drummer, but i'm in no way getting this snare based on the fact that its his signature, if you might of thort that, its just i've herd quite alot of good things about this snare and the specs seem pretty good, not that this should completely make my mind up about getting one.

Also the fact that its pretty much the most decent (affordable) snare on ebay thats in my area. And i havn't been able to see many good quality ones in my price range atm.

Anyway, i'll go up tomorrow, speak to the guys, see what they think, thankfully these guys are nice and are easy to talk to, which helps.

( They'd wanna be after the amount my families spent there ) hahaha

You're welcome!

Like I said give the tuning a go but don't rush into buying snares, or anything for that matter. Make sure you know exactly what you want (although it sounds like you do)

As for the guys in the shop, they may be cool but remember they are there primarily to sell stuff. So they will tell you that JJ's snare is the "best snare around for the money" if they think you're gonna buy it.

I would take your current snare with you as sjoey1r said and ask them to tune it up for you a little. As Zen said the ELX is actually no worse than the JJ, so you should get a sound at least as good as the JJ from it!

What is your price range if you don't mind my asking?

actually the guys at billy hydes dont pressure you into buying if anything they actually encourage you to test things out and gather information and make an informed decision so you get what you want i was up there today testing cymbals snares toms ect. and the guy just walk past smiled said just testing i replied politely yes and he didnt hassel me i didnt even get a stare whilst leaving the shop after banging everything ahah its a great shop 100% drum dedicated i must say

Yeh man!
I'm pretty keen on choosing what i want you know, hahah.

Mmmm, its happened to me before, tends to work when your dealing with people my age as well! lol.

To be honest with you, and as little experience i may have as a drummer, i really, really love metal shelled snares, even the basic pear steels.
And what definetely won me over was that old 70's ludwig steel supra i tried one day, one word, INSANE!

No worries dude,
well, as spoilt as i sound, my dad pays for a large percent of my drum gear, but for little things like sticks and other equipment, i'm happy to pay.

I wasn't really intending on getting a new snare until the end of the year, ( birthdays, gotta love em ) but, now that i saw this jj snare, its made me think that i could find a good quality snare on ebay in the near future.

Well, back to it, the jj snare on ebay is 150 aus right, no problems there, i'd pay a bit of that to help out, if it went to having to buy a similar snare new, and the price went to, say 300, that'd probably be the max for now.

a7xjlee wrote:

Rob Crisp wrote:

lildrummer_94 wrote:

Rob Crisp wrote:

Hey Marcus! I'm gonna go with Zen on this, Joey's snare although pretty, isn't worth the money. And this isn't a Joey bashing thing either, I personally don't have anything against him and I know Zen doesn't either.

Think of it like this... it's like someone with a beat up old Honda, spending loads of money on a nice paint job and then selling it to anyone who buys a car purely on how shiny it is for loads more.

I would say the tuning is where your problem lies and that's fine, tuning can be a pain in the butt and we all get trouble sometimes. If you need a hand there check this link.

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/

I'd give that a go before you spend money on the JJ. I'll bet if you follow the steps and take your time, that snare will sound 100 times better.

If you really want a new snare, I would say it's worth learning about a few top snares then hit ebay and wait for a deal.

I've seen prices around £250 here in the UK for the JJ. I just bought a really well looked after 1967 Ludwig Supraphonic on ebay, second hand, for the equivalent of £176, plus postage from the US. Just over £200 all in.

Now the Supraphonic is the most recorded snare in history, for good reason. It's sounds amazing and is so versatile!

Here's the link to my snare if you're interested. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230242995403&_trksid=p3984.cWON.m313.lVI

So if we go back to the car analogy, I spent less on a classic sports car in top condition, than you are considering spending on that over priced although nice looking Honda.

It's up to you what you do obviously, but what would you really rather drive?

Thanks man, your a champion for that advice.
After nearly 4 years of playing, 50 percent of that times gone into to tuning, and ive been to private drum tuning lessons, and they were a real help. And yes, haha that websites worked a charm to ( for the rest of my drums anyway :s)
And yeh, i definetely no wat u mean with the hole car theory, not that i drive or anything

Seeing as im pretty young, and don't work, yet, im a bit low on cash, even tho my parents are there to always help out if im in need of something.

And to be honest with you, im not to hyped about slipknot, or joey jordison, although hes a very talented drummer, but i'm in no way getting this snare based on the fact that its his signature, if you might of thort that, its just i've herd quite alot of good things about this snare and the specs seem pretty good, not that this should completely make my mind up about getting one.

Also the fact that its pretty much the most decent (affordable) snare on ebay thats in my area. And i havn't been able to see many good quality ones in my price range atm.

Anyway, i'll go up tomorrow, speak to the guys, see what they think, thankfully these guys are nice and are easy to talk to, which helps.

( They'd wanna be after the amount my families spent there ) hahaha

You're welcome!

Like I said give the tuning a go but don't rush into buying snares, or anything for that matter. Make sure you know exactly what you want (although it sounds like you do)

As for the guys in the shop, they may be cool but remember they are there primarily to sell stuff. So they will tell you that JJ's snare is the "best snare around for the money" if they think you're gonna buy it.

I would take your current snare with you as sjoey1r said and ask them to tune it up for you a little. As Zen said the ELX is actually no worse than the JJ, so you should get a sound at least as good as the JJ from it!

What is your price range if you don't mind my asking?

actually the guys at billy hydes dont pressure you into buying if anything they actually encourage you to test things out and gather information and make an informed decision so you get what you want i was up there today testing cymbals snares toms ect. and the guy just walk past smiled said just testing i replied politely yes and he didnt hassel me i didnt even get a stare whilst leaving the shop after banging everything ahah its a great shop 100% drum dedicated i must say

In that case good for them!








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Don't confuse the supraphonic 400 with just any "steel" snare drum. Some of them are bronze, some are brass and others are "ludalloy". None are the same steel sheel metal that Pearl uses.








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zen_drummer wrote:

Don't confuse the supraphonic 400 with just any "steel" snare drum. Some of them are bronze, some are brass and others are "ludalloy". None are the same steel sheel metal that Pearl uses.

yehhh, i know you mean ay
never the less i love the sound steels put off when there tuned high

zen_drummer wrote:

Don't confuse the supraphonic 400 with just any "steel" snare drum. Some of them are bronze, some are brass and others are "ludalloy". None are the same steel sheel metal that Pearl uses.

yehhh, i know you mean ay
never the less i love the sound steels put off when there tuned high

Do you have remO's?








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