The fact that people of this generation think that this is what metal is makes me want to vomit on all of theyre shoes.
i completely agree. I remember telling someone once that I was in a metal band...their first question was "who is your screamer?" and i had to explain that I played a different kind of metal. i agree with the ploughman's first sentiments. that band sucks.
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Real life doesn't work that way, and one day he's gonna pull a stunt like that and they'll put a cap in him. At that point it won't matter that he was fat in high-school and couldn't get laid.
Sun May 04, 2008 10:24 am
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I found the amazing part about the whole video is that no one threw anything at the "band."
I'm usually not one to knock shit like that. but seriously, bands these days are taking the concept of abrasive noise to far. Technically it is music, but there is absolutely nothing musical about it.
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anavrinIV wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:
The fact that people of this generation think that this is what metal is makes me want to vomit on all of theyre shoes.
i completely agree. I remember telling someone once that I was in a metal band...their first question was "who is your screamer?" and i had to explain that I played a different kind of metal. i agree with the ploughman's first sentiments. that band sucks.
yeah i like metal and all but i really can't stand screaming. i like metal like slayer.
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Their mates are doing some very strange dancing moves. The guy in the green T-shirt is dancing like he's at an 80's convention. Very strange. Horrific band. Oh and if you want that sound then slowly crank any snare drum up and up and up and up till it kinda makes that sound. It's probably best done on a fat deep metal snare, say a 14x6.5, and if you can afford it go Brass.
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Sun May 04, 2008 6:37 pm
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forget even trying to tune it like that. if you want it to sound like that, just get you a drum key drill bit and just DRILL away. it doesn't matter that every piece of hardware on that drum is gonna be ruined and stripped out, but you will have that sound. enjoy.
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That's the easiest sound to get out of any snare. you can get that by accident...just crank any snare up(bottom and top) with a thin head on the batter side.
I like Whitesnake type metal. It's probably an age thing. LOL.
I was in guitar center today and they had that music playing where the front man isn't really singing, he just sounds like he has a demonic monotone voice. As I was walking out I passed some young guy and said "great singer." LOL. hohohohehehehahaha.
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I finally poked my head into this thread to see what it was about....
Listening to that bad is actually worse than POURING HOT LEAD IN YOUR EAR!
To get that snare drum sound, take ANY snare drum EVER made by ANYBODY and tighten the tension rods until they won't go in any further. It's not tuned... it's tensioned.
They don't even have an original NAME!
I usally don't diss music of any kind... if I don't get it, then that's about me... But in this case, I didn't see any level of musical talent at all. Yes, they were assaulting the crowd with noises that were coming out of musical instruments, but if I used a guitar to drive nails, that wouldn't qualify as music either (unless it's performance avant guarde' art).
I do have to admit... the singer certainly has a unique vocal tone. I believe it could be very useful for peeling paint when all else fails.
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I love all forms of metal from Atreyu, Killswitch Engage, to Slayer, Cannibal Corpse etc...but this band was BEYOND TERRIBLE. Yes I know every band has to start somewhere. Mainly the musicians in the band, but what the hell was that? It should give you a little hint, if there are fewer people getting into your music than you have in the band...fix something, and FAST.
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Mon May 05, 2008 10:47 am
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I don't mind screamed vocals a bit. I also like noisy music quite a bit. The harshness of the sounds didn't turn me off at all. What DID was the complete lack of an original thought anywhere in any of it.
I've seen every half-baked dance move and rockstar pose in that video at least a million times. The music was badly-played late-90's hardcore, "mosh" sections and all. BORING!!!!
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Alan_ wrote:
I don't mind screamed vocals a bit. I also like noisy music quite a bit. The harshness of the sounds didn't turn me off at all. What DID was the complete lack of an original thought anywhere in any of it.
I've seen every half-baked dance move and rockstar pose in that video at least a million times. The music was badly-played late-90's hardcore, "mosh" sections and all. BORING!!!!
Totally agree.
I like that they're "getting into it", but at the same time I sort of prefer organized chaos in a sense. Convulsing while sacrificing your playing ability drives me insane. Look like you know what you're doing and know how to perform instead of like you just forgot how to use any muscle in your body to stand up.
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Mon May 05, 2008 12:14 pm
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Ok.
Thanks for everyones opinion on TDWP, good work.
Now why is that snare sound so horrible?
As far as cutting through, it works great.
It doesnt matter what it sounds like if it cant be heard...and with a synth, 2 halfstacks, and a bassist playing...the snare tends to get drown out. Especially on blast beats. So i figred a more cutting tone would solve this.
I hate forums like this, huge asshole population.
Mon May 05, 2008 12:16 pm
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It's a forum, they're opinions, if you can't take it...you shouldn't be in a band. You'll get far worse than through some message board persona.
And why does it matter what is sounds like if it can't be heard? If it can't be heard, why play?
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Mon May 05, 2008 12:32 pm
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The snare drum sound sucks because it sounds like he's beating on a cooking pot.
If you're looking for a snare drum sound to cut through some noise, get a ludwig supraphonic and put a coated emperor on it, or any number of other heads. tune it medium-high to high. you'll never worry about being heard again. steer away from steel-shelled snare drums, I tend to find them harder to obtain a good sound from than aluminum brass or bronze.
sorry about not answering the question first before going into color commentary mode. I like all sorts of bands that other people hate.
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yep, this is pretty much what I'm surrounded by everywhere I go. I hate this new "hardcore, screamo, ehatever" stuff. The only local venue to play around here (a church) caters EXCLUSIVELY to these acts.
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you honestly think that it was "cutting through" because of how loud he was playing or the way the snare was tuned?
huh, its called DRUM MICS!!
and alot of times tuning a snare that high is quieter than a well tuned snare. it takes alot of the volume out.
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thefluffy wrote:
Ok.
Thanks for everyones opinion on TDWP, good work.
Now why is that snare sound so horrible?
As far as cutting through, it works great.
It doesnt matter what it sounds like if it cant be heard...and with a synth, 2 halfstacks, and a bassist playing...the snare tends to get drown out. Especially on blast beats. So i figred a more cutting tone would solve this.
I hate forums like this, huge asshole population.
because its tuned like an asshole tuned it. he just cranked it all the way. theres nothing to the sound. its choked and flat. it sounds like hes hitting a table. Its not a "cutting tone" Its a " I dont know how to tune a drum so i'm just gonna crank the batter head and choke the shit out of it" tone
You dont know enough about drums to call us assholes
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EOTE_drummer wrote:
you honestly think that it was "cutting through" because of how loud he was playing or the way the snare was tuned?
huh, its called DRUM MICS!!
and alot of times tuning a snare that high is quieter than a well tuned snare. it takes alot of the volume out.
YOU ARE 100% Correct!
Ya want the drum to cut through the mix, put a damn microphone on it.
With Love,
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Heh, Zen, thats not fair, I was the first asshole. And damn, that Video sucks worse now than it did the first time. Those kids should be sent to a bluegrass boot camp.
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Heh, Zen, thats not fair, I was the first asshole. And damn, that Video sucks worse now than it did the first time. Those kids should be sent to a bluegrass boot camp.
Oh all right, you can be the asshole.
Sorry man, I overstepped my turf...
I'm the asshole on my DRT forum!
Hey, speaking of which, are you coming to the Road Trip in June?
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I am not going to be making the road trip.
We start a big job in a couple weeks. Its going to run all summer.
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lol, u guys are such arseholes its hilarious! Just for a few things i think the screaming guy needs to wear shorter shorts and the bassist needs tighter pants. Personally that aint my cup of tea, personally if i was there when that lady said "sure beats hell" i would of had a heated debate with her on the topic. Anyway im i couldnt tell u what kind of snare he was using but to me like a 14x2.5 with a coated head and a studio ring, although i could be wrong. U have to look closely and u can see a distinct colour difference around the outside, plus the head doesn't seem too fresh. And he's probably cranked both the heads as others have pointed out and probably tensioned the snare wires extremely tight as well. Personally i think its a bit much but if thats ur style. Besides i did a thing at school where we basically beat the crap out of stools and rubbish bin lids and step ladders but and when organised right it sounded pretty good. But yeh... at least that type of music is better than whats on MTV
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Tue May 06, 2008 2:28 am
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zen_drummer wrote:
EOTE_drummer wrote:
you honestly think that it was "cutting through" because of how loud he was playing or the way the snare was tuned?
huh, its called DRUM MICS!!
and alot of times tuning a snare that high is quieter than a well tuned snare. it takes alot of the volume out.
YOU ARE 100% Correct!
Ya want the drum to cut through the mix, put a damn microphone on it.
With Love,
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There has been 1 situation ever where we have played and been able to mic the drums...
I dont know what kind of music scene you are in, but the shows we play only have about 125 kids coming, and generally a pretty small/limited PA.
Tue May 06, 2008 2:17 pm
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zen_drummer wrote:
EOTE_drummer wrote:
you honestly think that it was "cutting through" because of how loud he was playing or the way the snare was tuned?
huh, its called DRUM MICS!!
and alot of times tuning a snare that high is quieter than a well tuned snare. it takes alot of the volume out.
YOU ARE 100% Correct!
Ya want the drum to cut through the mix, put a damn microphone on it.
With Love,
the forum asshole.
that drum wasn't mic'd.
personally I've played unmic'd lots. not in bigger clubs, but if you're playing a punk fest in the middle of a field like that you can figure there probably isn't gonna be a few thousand watts of PA.
to the original poster: that guy was using a wood drum. I can't tell what kind it is, but it's a 5x14. I would recommend you not try and get a wood drum. GET A LUDWIG SUPRAPHONIC. Remember that name. You can take people's heads off with one of those tuned right.
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Here you go sir:
Taye Studio Maple Piccilo Snare (?x14")
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---Taye stock bottom head
As far as the comments go I couldn't agree more. However, I've heard these guys live in a closed venue with proper live equipment and that video doesn't justify how they really sound and/or their potential.
Heh, Zen, thats not fair, I was the first asshole. And damn, that Video sucks worse now than it did the first time. Those kids should be sent to a bluegrass boot camp.
i literally shot sweet tea through my nose reading this!!!
antiunderscore, it only sounded like a 14x2.5 because it has no depth, because he is badly choking that drum from being tuned so high.
and you don't need an expensive snare to get that sound, because just about ANY snare can get a similar sound. or you can just get a 50 ply ocdp.
and in the video, even the lead singer said he "hated to say who they were". see, they know they are awful. okay i'm sorry uncalled for.
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Snares don't tend to be drowned out, it's the Bass Drum and Toms that suffer.
Anyway this asshole had a record (actually a cassette tape) by a band called Turbo in the mid 80's which was making that Hardcore kind of music. So cutting edge? my Arse. Shyte band, shyte sound, move on mate.
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Thu May 08, 2008 3:22 am
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Are you guys f kidding me?
I want a f snare drum thats loud so f blast beats come through.
Normally we dont mic our f drums because we play small venues.
I didnt give any f credit to the f band.
I sure as hell didnt say it was cutting edge you dumb .
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Your usage of language will not be tolerated here. Grow up or go away. No discussion.
Thu May 15, 2008 1:07 pm
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thefluffy wrote:
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is he banned yet?
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I already told you. Ludwig Supraphonic. Watch your language, there's kids around here.
i literally shot sweet tea through my nose reading this!!!
