okay ive noticed that whenever i play my own songs with my band i try makin fills, which i can ,but the problem is i dont really know WHEN to start filling. keep in mind i mostly do the single stroke fills at about 200 BPM that you see alot in blast beats.








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Where ever you want.

No, seriously. Start your fill on "a" of 1 if it fits properly. Listen to Stone Sour "Made Of Scars" and check all of the different places he starts his fills.








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i just hope if youre doing fills at 200 bpm that the rest of the song is also that tempo.








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or 100bpm?








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haha yea that would work too








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I'm a big fan of half-time fills.








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big fan of triplet fills as well. if thats what they are called (a non edumucated drummer here!)








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i like fills to be abstracts and not really restricted by any strict rhythmic figures or tempos. i play as many or as few notes as i feel at the time and just fill whatever amount of time i want, as long as you come out of your fill at the right time, you can make just about anything work for you. Of course i play very free form experimental music most of the time so my style of fill is def not the way to go for a lot of genres. Just do what works for you, thats the best advice i can give, dont try to do more than your capable of, and most importantly, fills aren't for showing off, always play for the song.








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most square music starts a fill on beat one or 3...depending on the phrasing of music. I know most of the sheetmusic I have been reading is very right on 1 or 3. 4 beat fill or a 2 beat fill.








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i love fills that arent rolls, cause they just add another element, like if u werent a drummer and heard a roll you would think "cool a roll" but if they heard some fill that had a pattern to it its like the drummer's suddenly playing the melody, i find its not as over bearing on the song, and way more interesting, but hey, thats just me...








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I start all my fills on 1 or 3, sometimes on the 'a' after 1 or 3. That's in 4/4 songs though, I have no idea where I play them in 6/8.

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I start all my fills on 1 or 3, sometimes on the 'a' after 1 or 3. That's in 4/4 songs though, I have no idea where I play them in 6/8.

6/8: 1 or 4 in that case.








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I don't really like the concept of beat/fill/beat. I prefer to think of it as one continuous thing that ebbs and flows. If you think of a fill as an embellishment of what's already going on, you'll have a better concept as far as placement and where to start/end.








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Be aware of the the implied 1/4 note pulse
keep time with your hi hat foot








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Alan_ wrote:

I don't really like the concept of beat/fill/beat. I prefer to think of it as one continuous thing that ebbs and flows. If you think of a fill as an embellishment of what's already going on, you'll have a better concept as far as placement and where to start/end.

That's what I usually do. More often than not, the fill that fits the best is usually very straight forward.








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I agree that playing is ebb and flow, but until I get good enough, my commander asks that I stick to the script...it sucks to hear how much you suck in front of the group, but unitl I do get better...I have to listen to the commander.








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This is what I do too (below). I swear by it and have talked about it in other posts. It was a reply to a Mike Johnston video.


I undertsand why you think that. He is just keeping time with his left foot. It's on the hi-hat pedal, and he is tapping his heel (still keeping pressure with his toes to prevent the hats from opening). He does it on his other videos as well.








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I do that as well.








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Try not to play fills when the singer is singing the melody. Try to place them in the spots of the song where the "melodic players" are not playing as many notes. Don't 'step on there toes ' -- not just yet anyway!

Also, try to think of your fills in terms of "setting up" the accents that are called for in the song. Don't just play a fill because you feel like it, play something that leads the band into the next accent or ensemble rhythm.

I teach my students to play "Big, Dumb and Obvious" fills that help the band land together on the accents. Once you have those down, you'll become easier for the other players to play with. You can add to those later. Start with fills that say "HERE IT COMES . . . BAM!!!!

Remember, the fill isn't the important part -- the accent in the song is!

Not totally sure what to recommend...I can sort of just sense when to start a fill.

But definitely start with simple ones, like the other guys said. That way it'll be easier to gain that sense of when to start.








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I sometimes will keep time on the hi-hat. Not all the time, just some.








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as said before, i just let the fills come to me...i flow with the music.








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That is too simplistic view of seeing it. First-Define Fill

does anyone find they dont always do the same fills in songs? mine usually change all the time, to whatever im feelin at that point in time. is that a bad thing? ive always been big on improvisation as i think it keeps you and other people guessin

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does anyone find they dont always do the same fills in songs? mine usually change all the time, to whatever im feelin at that point in time. is that a bad thing? ive always been big on improvisation as i think it keeps you and other people guessin

I improvise my fills a lot too, because I just go by what I feel.

Since every time my band plays a song, it's always a little bit different than last time, I just go with what I feel.

It works like 95% of time.

Yeah, for those longer fills I like to keep time on the hats because it gives it a nice Bonham-type flavor.








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"Yeah, for those longer fills I like to keep time on the hats because it gives it a nice Bonham-type flavor"

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"Yeah, for those longer fills I like to keep time on the hats because it gives it a nice Bonham-type flavor"

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I do it all-the-time.
Even when I'm not opening and closing the Hi Hat.
I keep it closed and use my heel.
It locks you into the pocket and synchronizes with the rest of the limbs








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"Yeah, for those longer fills I like to keep time on the hats because it gives it a nice Bonham-type flavor"

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I do it all-the-time.
Even when I'm not opening and closing the Hi Hat.
I keep it closed and use my heel.
It locks you into the pocket and synchronizes with the rest of the limbs

I do that too. I'll be playing on the hats on some beat, and my left leg will be jumping along like it's somehow involved.








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