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Emilio_Herce
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 Work Out Slowing You Down
I'm a drummer and I work out at the gym. I heard working out can slow down your playing. Is there any basis to this?
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Thu May 08, 2008 7:05 pm |
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okjohne
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Not as far as I know. I'm no muscle head but On Monday and Tues. Mornings (if there is no powder of course) I go to the gym for like and hour and a half. Then I go home and play my drums for two. I don't do leg workouts. At least not all that power stuff like squats, press, lunges ..... When I have It's not good for drumming. To many reps on the bi's cam make the hand play tough. Truth is your biceps are one of your smallest primary muscles and need the least repitition for growth.
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Thu May 08, 2008 8:08 pm |
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SGarrett
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Only if you don't stretch before and after you workout. There aren't any exercises that, if done correctly, will be a detriment to your playing. Now, being tired from lifting most certainly will because any muscle group will fail when worked beyond its fatigue point. Ever have a day where you play for a lot longer than usual and your playing starts to get sloppy near the end? Same thing. Strength training aside, it's mostly a muscular endurance thing.
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Thu May 08, 2008 10:16 pm |
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BillRayDrums
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Not playing drums will slow you down. Working out only gives you more muscle to do what you do.
I recommend strongly against working biceps/triceps on a given day.....I remember I did that and could not straighten my arms....painful as hell!
+1 on the stretchies....that's all I do to warm up nowadays, just stretch my hands and arms before I play. Hardly ever get on a pad before the performance. It's usually just "go-time".
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Thu May 08, 2008 11:19 pm |
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SGarrett
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That just reminded me of something. My junior year of high school I had weight training third period and history fourth period. On one given day I worked my legs so hard that I couldn't stand up at the end of fourth to go to lunch. I couldn't even move. Nothing. If the building had burst into flames I still don't think I would've been able to move. Learned an important lesson about limits that day. 
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Thu May 08, 2008 11:57 pm |
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PatternsInTheIvy
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If your looking for endurance, forearm and calve exercises helps a lot. Technique will give you speed, but you need at least some muscle if you want good endurance.
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Fri May 09, 2008 12:25 am |
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drumur
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what you're talking about is called D.O.M.S. Delayed Onset muscle Soreness.
It's a temporary adaptation to the stress imposed upon the muscle fibers.
Stretch before and after, use proper form, use full range of motion, and don't "over-train."
The only thing I would avoid is forearm training (wrist curls). Everything you do on upper body works the forearms.
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Fri May 09, 2008 1:09 pm |
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drumur
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Fri May 09, 2008 1:19 pm |
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Manzo
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nothing can slow you down except for not drumming.
work on muscular endurance exercises more than strength to help your drumming.
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Fri May 09, 2008 1:52 pm |
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SGarrett
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Here's an analogy I just thought of. If muscular endurance is horsepower, then muscular strength is torque. Horse power is nothing more than an equation for work done over a period of time. Horsepower = RPM * Torque / 5252. Beyond that, acceleration and volumetric efficiency (how much of the engine's volume potential is actually being made) are directly related to and follow the torque curve.
So, muscular strength is what's actually doing the work and endurance is how long you can do it. Or, in other words, muscular strength and building lean muscle mass will help you in every area of your life. This doesn't mean you have to become a body builder, as many people automatically assume when you mention "strength training".
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Fri May 09, 2008 2:21 pm |
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drumur
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That was a good explanation.
BTW...I just came from the Gym. I did Back and Bi's.
I always feel great when I'm done.
Here's a real good guide.
The principles are pretty sound.
http://www.rocksolidfitness.net/exercise.html
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Fri May 09, 2008 8:57 pm |
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SGarrett
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Thank you. 
That's a good site, even though the guy looks like Paul Stanley. 
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Fri May 09, 2008 9:41 pm |
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trstn
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I have my gym phases. I have an idea like .. every muscle I gain in gym needs to be trained to play drums. Well works for me and this is not to be taken generally.
Also I repeat a lot with less weights which suits me fine.
well now you just need to tell me: "get you lazy ass back in the gym .. " *sigh* 
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titaniumSS
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I was told this once also. I believe the main thought on it was that if you go build muscle, it is more weight you have to throw around causing less speed. Getting tone is different though as it doesn't usually gain muscle, just refines it and loses fat but not gaining alot of muscle.
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Sat May 10, 2008 7:13 am |
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drumur
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Maybe he was justifying his own dislike of working out..LOL.
Dave Weckl looks like he's done some training.
Billy Cobham had huge arms.
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Sat May 10, 2008 8:55 am |
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SGarrett
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titaniumSS wrote:I was told this once also. I believe the main thought on it was that if you go build muscle, it is more weight you have to throw around causing less speed. Getting tone is different though as it doesn't usually gain muscle, just refines it and loses fat but not gaining alot of muscle.
As I've said, you only become "muscle bound" when you don't properly stretch both before and after a work out...or become a mass monster like Dorian Yates, Nasser El Sonbaty, or Ronnie Coleman. This isn't something I heard from someone else, it's from years of training and being taught by a semi-professional body builder who still wins shows in 60s.
Think about this. Big muscles move big weights.
You might have trouble playing drums if you get as big as these guys...
Nasser El Sonbaty
Ronnie Coleman
Dorian Yates
Plan on becoming that big? No? Then stretch out properly and stop worrying about it. More lean muscle mass means you burn more calories while at rest and have more physical strength for life's tasks.
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Sat May 10, 2008 2:18 pm |
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PatternsInTheIvy
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As an example of a strong, built drummer that has lots of speed, take Brett Battdorf into example. He hits 290 bpm double bass singles and 300 bpm blastbeats
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Sat May 10, 2008 2:25 pm |
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drumur
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Yeah garrett...that's right on the money. I was certified PT.
Keep in mind, that's not gonna happen without the massive amount of drugs they took. Even then, all other components have to be right...Diet, training, rest, genetics. attitude, determination, etc.
The average person who uses resistance training will just improve his or herself in many areas. Strength, endurance, resting metabolic rate, appearance, Range of motion, bone density, etc.
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Sat May 10, 2008 8:15 pm |
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SGarrett
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Thanks. I've thought about doing that before, but then my priorities changed. And yeah, it takes a lot to get to that level. I apparently have the genetic factor and had the others at one time, minus the drugs.
But yeah, exercising and working out are great things to do. The only drumming specific exercises you need are the ones where you're actually playing drums.
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Sat May 10, 2008 9:53 pm |
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Joezeppi
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I notice when I workout before I go to practice the practice suffers. I definitely try not to do bi's, tri's or legs on the same day as I practice or even the day before due to the resulting soreness. In my experience doing plyometric (explosive) exercises are the best for overall fitness and the least debilitating. These include jump squats, explosive push-ups and military presses. I think that having huge bulging biceps playing drums is beneficial only for visual effect but has no real advantage when it comes to playing. Kinda like a monster truck's fiberglass body gives it a better, meaner appearance but has nothing to do with the vehicle's performance.
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