Hey there everyone


I have a problem with lugs/rods,

basically when i remove a head (or re tune fully) and put back in the rods, i spin with my finger until the rod touches the washer. HOWEVER, on most of the lugs when i am spinning, there can be sudden stops and parts where it feels really stiff, (this is well before contatc with the washer is made)

ps. When i first got the kit, i put some vaseline on (not the luquidy oil, the other stuff)

Any ideas or help??

Is it a Groove Percussion drum?

It's probably due to the quality of the product....no offense.








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Dw good enough for you?

aceridgey wrote:

Dw good enough for you?

it wasnt an insult, keep your hair on

just put some more vasaline on or WD40 (other members might tell me im wrong on the WD40)

Wow. Someone's a bit touchy. Do us all a favor and go smack yourself for that reply.

Brand new drums, right? You either have a few manufacturing burs that you need to man your way through or, more likely, you've gummed the threads up with the vaseline. That thick lubricant is taking up the space the threads should take up (remember that DW uses a much finer pitch) and/or attracting debris. Use something that was specifically designed to lubricated the threads of bolts, not something that was designed to be used as a skin treatment.








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aceridgey wrote:

Dw good enough for you?

Too good for me, or may be to much money. I'll put my 1980 Rogers XP8's against your DW's any day and I know how to put heads on them. In your defense I'll say that Lou did jump to the conclusion that you had crummy drums. Chill.

Most likely the Vaseline is gummin' up the threads. Like SGarret said, DW uses very fine threads on the bolts.

Clean 'em up, and lube with something less thick. Then, without a rim or head, screw and unscrew the bolts untnil they are smooth.








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Vaseline causes rust quickly.

I only said that because high end drums are usually machined well so it's less likely to cause that problem. I bought a Groove Percussion piccolo from sam ash, on sale for $35 once and that kept happening to all of the lugs. They would completely lock up and eventually snap.
As well, I've had old Ludwigs that had the same problem but getting brand-new lug screws helped.








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That happened on my LX snare, too. One of the tension rods froze, so I had to snap it and then replace both it and the lug insert. Then, I put all of those inserts on my Acrolite so I could use the fine pitch tension rods. Schnazzay.








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SGarrett wrote:

Brand new drums, right? You either have a few manufacturing burs that you need to man your way through or, more likely, you've gummed the threads up with the vaseline. That thick lubricant is taking up the space the threads should take up (remember that DW uses a much finer pitch) and/or attracting debris. Use something that was specifically designed to lubricated the threads of bolts, not something that was designed to be used as a skin treatment.

Vaseline is fine - like most things, not in excess.

You want the rods to GRIP the insert so they don't loosen. Using a normal oil/lubricant for bolts does not take up the space in the Insert like vaseline does - which is a reason people use it for other loser fitting Inserts. Oil also attracts dust - not good.


He may well have overloaded it with vaseline with those fine threads. Or has another issue.

Hack_and_Slash wrote:

Vaseline causes rust quickly.

Likewise with WD-40. It's water based...big nono! P.O.Y!








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stump wrote:

Hack_and_Slash wrote:

Vaseline causes rust quickly.

Likewise with WD-40. It's water based...big nono! P.O.Y!

With respect i would have to disagree. I've never heard of vaseline causing rust "Quickly".

Rust is caused by Oxidization. If you coat something, it is less likely too Oxidise/Rust. Coating a screw in Oil prevents rust, and Vaseline is oil based.

WD40 is a Water Dispersant and they are wuite clear on their site that Water isn't part of it.

http://www.wd40.com/faqs/#q1


Inserts are generally Brass -and some Lugs are aluminum which won't rust.

Some Rods are Chrome they may well rust.

Quarter Note wrote:

stump wrote:

Hack_and_Slash wrote:

Vaseline causes rust quickly.

Likewise with WD-40. It's water based...big nono! P.O.Y!

With respect i would have to disagree. I've never heard of vaseline causing rust "Quickly".

Rust is caused by Oxidization. If you coat something, it is less likely too Oxidise/Rust. Coating a screw in Oil prevents rust, and Vaseline is oil based.

WD40 is a Water Dispersant and they are wuite clear on their site that Water isn't part of it.

http://www.wd40.com/faqs/#q1


Inserts are generally Brass -and some Lugs are aluminum which won't rust.

Some Rods are Chrome they may well rust.

Interesting...I stand corrected. P.O.Y!








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Quarter Note wrote:

SGarrett wrote:

Brand new drums, right? You either have a few manufacturing burs that you need to man your way through or, more likely, you've gummed the threads up with the vaseline. That thick lubricant is taking up the space the threads should take up (remember that DW uses a much finer pitch) and/or attracting debris. Use something that was specifically designed to lubricated the threads of bolts, not something that was designed to be used as a skin treatment.

Vaseline is fine - like most things, not in excess.

You want the rods to GRIP the insert so they don't loosen. Using a normal oil/lubricant for bolts does not take up the space in the Insert like vaseline does - which is a reason people use it for other loser fitting Inserts. Oil also attracts dust - not good.


He may well have overloaded it with vaseline with those fine threads. Or has another issue.

Generally, lubricant is used to make a bolt easier to turn and more true to torque, not for more grip. If you have a trouble with a tension rod backing out, use a lug lock. If you need lubricant, use something that was made to lubricate threads. Have you ever looked as some of the thread pitches on cars, suspension bolts for example? That lubricant seems to work just fine there.








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SGarrett wrote:

Generally, lubricant is used to make a bolt easier to turn and more true to torque, not for more grip.

I agree, 'lubricant' can be used for making a bolt turn easier. Which creates less 'friction'.

I didn't say/imply a 'lubricant' was for more 'Grip'. But friction is part of what you DO want on your rods, so your rod 'do not' slip. He has too much friction with his insert.

Vaseline as somebody popsted earlier is for generally for the skin, and it 'is' thicker - hence the 'taking up space comment'.

So in summary: You don't want the rods too slip, and you also don't want it too tight - or you get sometimes get somebody posting abut stuck rods in inserts.

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If you have a trouble with a tension rod backing out, use a lug lock. If you need lubricant, use something that was made to lubricate threads. Have you ever looked as some of the thread pitches on cars, suspension bolts for example? That lubricant seems to work just fine there.

Alternatively use 'Tightscrews' with the Nylon insert - they use the same drum key as a standard rod.

Quarter Note wrote:

SGarrett wrote:

Generally, lubricant is used to make a bolt easier to turn and more true to torque, not for more grip.

I agree, 'lubricant' can be used for making a bolt turn easier. Which creates less 'friction'.

I didn't say/imply a 'lubricant' was for more 'Grip'. But friction is part of what you DO want on your rods, so your rod 'do not' slip. He has too much friction with his insert.

Vaseline as somebody popsted earlier is for generally for the skin, and it 'is' thicker - hence the 'taking up space comment'.

So in summary: You don't want the rods too slip, and you also don't want it too tight - or you get sometimes get somebody posting abut stuck rods in inserts.

I take it that you don't do automotive work.








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