drumur wrote:

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The negatives are increased effort to push the pedal board down and increased effort to control the beater, often resulting in a sloppy sound. I'm a fan of using the tool instead of depending on it

Yep...
I'm stayin out of this one.
Tighten them as much as you want.

I will try some different "spring rates". After all, it is like the tuned suspension on my car....got to play with them until you find the right adjustment!








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Tighter= faster, more control, louder

Lose= Slower, sloppy, less control








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Loose, comfortable, effortless, responsive.
Able to play dynamics.
When it's tight, you can only play one way...loud, and you have to work too hard to execute strokes.

In cover gigs I have to play 3-4 sets...I'm not going to hit the kick drum and do resistance training at the same time. LOL.








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drumur wrote:

In cover gigs I have to play 3-4 sets...I'm not going to hit the kick drum and do resistance training at the same time. LOL.

I hear you. So in training, to develop a tough ass leg, tighten them up, and to be more musical loosen them so you can have control over the beater.


Ok, so how do you "train" your foot so you dont have to change springs all the time?

(Ill have to play with it until I feel like I am making the pedal my biotch!)








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Lose= Slower, sloppy, less control

I disagree...You never saw me play with a loose spring. I feel there is more control. I control the pedal with technique. A tight spring would have a mind of it's own.

I've been thinking about this issue recently.
I just began to play with the Genesis Tribute for their live shows.
one of the songs is "Land of Confusion"
The single bass drum part would be exhausting with a tight spring. I have to keep that up through the whole song.
I just don't understand this tight spring thing.








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SINISTER wrote:

Tighter= faster, more control, louder

Lose= Slower, sloppy, less control

Gotta disagree on that one Sinister.

I have my pedals fairly loose.

I think Simon Phillips said something along the lines of "you have to dance on the pedals". Again he has them them loose and he can rock double bass too.

You want to play a Samba bass drum pattern with a quiet and then accented note, it's gonna be harder on a high tension. 'Course, if you don't and speed is your thing maybe higher is better for you.








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the spring tension should be loose enough not to fight back and tight enough to rebound. but in the end it's a personal feel








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SINISTER wrote:

Tighter= faster, more control, louder

Lose= Slower, sloppy, less control

Yeah...no.

Looser springs give you more control because you aren't fighting against the springs.

Looser springs can be louder because you use less force to move the beater.

For single-foot fast patterns, I guarantee that a guy with looser springs will beat out a dude with maxed-out springs. It's because he's not fighting the springs, and he has more control over the pedal.

For double-bass, the kid with the uber-tight springs will win because the springs help with high-speed rebound.








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Looser springs give you more control because you aren't fighting against the springs.

Looser springs can be louder because you use less force to move the beater.

For single-foot fast patterns, I guarantee that a guy with looser springs will beat out a dude with maxed-out springs. It's because he's not fighting the springs, and he has more control over the pedal.

Thank God, somebody in here just validated what I've believed all along.

I thought I was the only one.
But deep down I know that the drum Gods that I would listen to would not play with tight springs.
It's counter productive.

With looser springs, you can use Moeller-like techniques.








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Looser springs give you more control because you aren't fighting against the springs.

Looser springs can be louder because you use less force to move the beater.

For single-foot fast patterns, I guarantee that a guy with looser springs will beat out a dude with maxed-out springs. It's because he's not fighting the springs, and he has more control over the pedal.

Thank God, somebody in here just validated what I've believed all along.

I thought I was the only one.
But deep down I know that the drum Gods that I would listen to would not play with tight springs.
It's counter productive.

With looser springs, you can use Moeller-like techniques.

Yeah, tighter springs became more popular (and necessary) lately because of the demands of high-speed double bass.

You need a lot of rebound to keep up with the BPM's of modern deathcore, metalcore, thrash...

You know, all those confusing sub-genres of metal.








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drumur wrote:

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Looser springs give you more control because you aren't fighting against the springs.

Looser springs can be louder because you use less force to move the beater.

For single-foot fast patterns, I guarantee that a guy with looser springs will beat out a dude with maxed-out springs. It's because he's not fighting the springs, and he has more control over the pedal.

Thank God, somebody in here just validated what I've believed all along.

I thought I was the only one.
But deep down I know that the drum Gods that I would listen to would not play with tight springs.
It's counter productive.

With looser springs, you can use Moeller-like techniques.

I use a kind of whipping motion.. I push down through the ball of my foot so it kind of hops on the pedal. Keeping it further back as well, not right up the top.








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Mitchell? wrote:

drumur wrote:

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Looser springs give you more control because you aren't fighting against the springs.

Looser springs can be louder because you use less force to move the beater.

For single-foot fast patterns, I guarantee that a guy with looser springs will beat out a dude with maxed-out springs. It's because he's not fighting the springs, and he has more control over the pedal.

Thank God, somebody in here just validated what I've believed all along.

I thought I was the only one.
But deep down I know that the drum Gods that I would listen to would not play with tight springs.
It's counter productive.

With looser springs, you can use Moeller-like techniques.

Yeah, tighter springs became more popular (and necessary) lately because of the demands of high-speed double bass.

You need a lot of rebound to keep up with the BPM's of modern deathcore, metalcore, thrash...

You know, all those confusing sub-genres of metal.

exactly my point
tension will vary depending on genre and musical style
it doen't always have to be maxed out
preference and feel








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I have mine set WAY too tight. It's impossible to control and hits me in the ankle because it's so uncontrollable. I'm definitely loosening mine soon.