How does everybody feal about marching percussion??

I owe a majority of my playing to my 5 years of marching. Not just the playing aspect but the dicipline of learning proper technique, practicing perfection, and everything else you learn from a drum corps setting. i still to this day pull out the real feel and big old hardimon sticks and work on dci corps exercises. speaking of this, does anyone happen to have the snare sheet music for the Cavaliers "electric wheelchair" exercise?

It's been a good training ground for some of the best drummers in the world. I think Tommy Igoe makes a great point that a lot of marching drummers get out of corps thinking they've got the world between their fingers because they have great chops. What a lot of them discover is there's a whole other world out there when you get behind the kit, and things like fudging the time/pulse, laying back on the attack, and learning how to communicate with musicians who don't speak your language are as hard to learn as any hybrid rudiment.

I would recommend it for anyone who has the interest. It will give you an outstanding base of fundamentals. I think it arguably creates an unfair advantage for kids coming out of corps, because they will be exposed to extremely complex music in a highly competitive setting. Corps drummers get out of corps with high expectations of their playing, and if you march at the highest level, you have a strong understanding of what it takes to execute in the moment.

Just realize there are some things corps can't teach you about the music business, and to try and keep a balance to your education and your life when you're not marching in the summers.

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drummert2k wrote:

does anyone happen to have the snare sheet music for the Cavaliers "electric wheelchair" exercise?

hey i got it, its pretty nice..i juss dont no how to send it threw this..give me your email or something so i can end it to you and some other stuff you might not have

LOVE IT!!! I was on the drumline for 7 years, 1 year frist bass drum,1 year snare line, 2 years center snare, 3 years quents(tenors) and drumline leader.








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Santa Clara Vanguard did Electric Wheelchair not the Cavaliers!!!!!!!!!!!!








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gaddabout- thanks for the info. that tommy igoe mentioned. sounds good. i need to check out his videos.

I was in 2 years of Marching Band. I am glad that I did it.
My 2nd year I was named section leader. (and I stink)
It was tough, but everything I learned I still use today.
Luckily we had a very good drum instructor that helped us
out for free. He wrote out some complicated pieces that we
managed to learn.

I was also crazy (in a great way) for the sound of a marching
pipe drum/snare- but the snares that we had were, basically
floor toms with some snares on the bottom- and no they did
not sound 'good'.

My friend David and I continuously (spelling?) said that we
were going to get real marching snares for our drumset.
Lo and behold many drummers are doing that now (more now
than back then) with something like it set up to the left.
A real marching snare requires a smaller stand too.
Some folk have mentioned that the Kevlar heads (if using) are
not good for the wrists. (?) I have carpel tunnel no matter what!

I did not like the movie drumline too much- but some parts
were okay.

Oh, the reason why I joined the Marching band was too get close
to the girls in the ... 'flag squad' (forgot the name) - you know-
shiny tights and Leotards- anyway, our girls were not in ...great
shape, except for 2! (wow!!!) When I finally joined, I found out
that they quit. whah whah!









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yeah by the way alot of people did electric wheel chair......blue devils, as well as santa clara, and caveliers and quite a few others, thought you should know








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im doin lyk an english/scottish version. Play outa Edinburgh castle every year. Its brilliant though. Just you have bigpipers as well lol. Teaches you good rudiements, and gives you brilliant rolls and all that. Tis gud stf:p

Marching Percussion for 2 years! I love drumset, but marching percussion is my true love, thus why I am audition for drum corps! Snare drum is the best on drumline.

well i never was officialy on the drumline in marchin. but i did teach alot of the drumline to march and their essential technique. and i wrote a great many cadences for them. i was used to teach them alot of stuff. but was forced to march trombone lol. oh well it happens. but the stuff i showed them and the stuff i had to learn helped alot.








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I Love it, especially the creative patterns that I have seen some corps come up with.

Drumline is an awesome way to build chops and fast. I've been in marching band now for 9 years straight. (I did graduate, and I'm in college) I'm now marching my second year at corps playing marimba both years.








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I marched all through out high school and thought about going in to drum corps.. but from what ive seen most drumset players do with drumset after drumcorps.. makes me sad.. drum corps takes you away from the feeling of the music and makes everything square and metronomical.. im not "hating" or any of that but its just not for me.. i do still work on some excersizes from some drumcorps to build up my chops but the drilling of drum corps just takes the sensitivity of creating the feel of songs away. thats my opinion..








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actually, RimShot2100GP, Murray Gusseck of the Santa Clara Vanguard wrote it... other people have played it of course, but NOT the Blue Devils OR the Cavaliers. A drum corp would never play another's book, cadence, or warm ups.

I'm almost 40, and I still love watching marching bands. I learned so much being in our bands drumline that I still use today in my playing.

Erik wrote:

My friend David and I continuously (spelling?) said that we
were going to get real marching snares for our drumset.
Lo and behold many drummers are doing that now (more now
than back then) with something like it set up to the left.
A real marching snare requires a smaller stand too.

Popcorn snares to the left of the hi-hats have been real popular since about the late 80s. They can sound a lot like marching snares -- they have a real high "pop" -- but with more snare rattle. You should check them out.

Erik wrote:

Some folk have mentioned that the Kevlar heads (if using) are
not good for the wrists. (?) I have carpel tunnel no matter what!:

If you're using good finger control behind the kit, carpal tunnel should never be a problem.

RimShot2100GP wrote:

yeah by the way alot of people did electric wheel chair......blue devils, as well as santa clara, and caveliers and quite a few others, thought you should know

Electric Wheel Chair has become a pretty common street beat. I've heard high schools play dumbed down versions of it. Even Vanguard has multiple versions of it.

Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8hMcUFRdtU

Since all my high school instructors were Blue Devils, I'm a big fan of Ditty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxL7yTE1EwI

amontholdDrums wrote:

I marched all through out high school and thought about going in to drum corps.. but from what ive seen most drumset players do with drumset after drumcorps.. makes me sad.. drum corps takes you away from the feeling of the music and makes everything square and metronomical.. im not "hating" or any of that but its just not for me.. i do still work on some excersizes from some drumcorps to build up my chops but the drilling of drum corps just takes the sensitivity of creating the feel of songs away. thats my opinion..

Not neccesarilly, I've found my timing to be much better behind the kit after corps. I'm now even more able to flow and feel the groove. I've played marimba in corps so I don't know about the drumline, but it's enabled me to play so much better.
It never felt square or metronomical in corps for me. We used the metronome as a guide, not god. That's what it's there for. I also play with a metronome on just about every (set) gig that I take a part of. It helps the pocket stay consistent and then tempo is one less thing I need to worry about on stage.








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I marched 4 years in HS drumline. Cymbals for one year, Bass Drum for three years, and was the section leader for the line all 4 years... We had a great instructor who marched snare several years for Phantom Regiment. Man he would write some killer cadences, in addition to bringing in some from the corps. It was definately the most memorable days of my drumming. I will always have a special place in my heart for drumline and marching band...

Those were the days.....








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im really interested in this just to tighten up my snare technique. the only thing is its not that massive in the uk and its hard to find somehwere within reasonable distance.

amontholdDrums wrote:

I marched all through out high school and thought about going in to drum corps.. but from what ive seen most drumset players do with drumset after drumcorps.. makes me sad.. drum corps takes you away from the feeling of the music and makes everything square and metronomical.. im not "hating" or any of that but its just not for me.. i do still work on some excersizes from some drumcorps to build up my chops but the drilling of drum corps just takes the sensitivity of creating the feel of songs away. thats my opinion..

That's a stereotype, and not one that holds a lot of water when you consider the truly great drummers who have come out of the drum corps scene. Nobody has every question Steve Gadd's or Billy Cobham's pocket. They have otherworldly feel (in addition to having a lot of drum corps style chops). The list of professionals who have marched in college or in DCI is very long. Even rockers like Gregg Bissonette and Travis Barker have that background.

Just like anything, a corps-style education will become whatever you make of it. It's a strong foundational tool, and I think it would be difficult to argue it's a bad thing in and of itself. Of course, if mastering hybrid rudiments is as far as you take it, then it doesn't really comport to the drum set.

Gazdkw82§ wrote:

im really interested in this just to tighten up my snare technique. the only thing is its not that massive in the uk and its hard to find somehwere within reasonable distance.

http://www.dcuk.org.uk/

FYI, most American DCI participants travel back and forth during the school year and move to the corps area for the summer. If you want to march open class, you have to go where the great open class corps are. It can be a huge sacrifice, but it's usully one worth making if your heart is in it.

Everyday, before I practice on a set I do hand work outs on a pad. Most of the work outs I do are Marching band rudiments. I love marching band stuff.

I love drumline

and for the guys who were talking about using a marching snareon the set.. Ive done that I have a yamaha that I somtiems use it as a second snare, its cool, but I dont use it with marching heads, I put some PS3 on themn and they sound realy cool








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RimShot2100GP. you obviously know nothing about DCI. im no expert but like UKperc10 said, it's a popular cadence, but for BD or the Cavies to play anyone elses original music would be DCI suicide.



JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW!








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I hated the discipline aspect of marching band... i was the center snare but not section leader cuz i was a dick to my instructors. i was better than them hahaha had more chops with creativity to spare. i juggled while ripping rolls and yea... that kinda shit will make your intrutor hate you ; )

ANYWAY... I wouldnt be half the drummer i am today if it werent for marching band.

EVERYONE and their mother made a cadence that resembled electric wheel chair.. even my high school ripped it off HARD but not the same carbon copy ... just the basic 5 stroke roll intro flama dooo fuck shit hybrid cheezzz riculous name what not.. hahaha








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Tgaff08 wrote:

RimShot2100GP. you obviously know nothing about DCI. im no expert but like UKperc10 said, it's a popular cadence, but for BD or the Cavies to play anyone elses original music would be DCI suicide.



JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW!

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there's something to be proud about slingerland66....

i agree with these guys... marching band has taught me to use proper rudiments and practice skill and killa chops.. they rock

im a sophomore in high school and ive been marching for 2 years now. my line's won best drum,ine at state 2 years now, we're goin for a third. drumline overall improves a drummer and makes him or her more well rounded.

TenorAltom wrote:

How does everybody feal about marching percussion??

I loved it so much that I gave up 5 summers during middle and high school to play in one. Every other day waking up at the crack of dawn and spending 8 hours doing nothing but marching and playing drums. Did wonderful things for my physique and my playing. I miss it dearly.








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UKperc10 wrote:

there's something to be proud about slingerland66....

Dont be sucha STIFF!!! haha military style drumming isnt everyones schtick and its hard to respect your instructor when he sucks and makes you do laps around the track for being 10 seconds late and 50 push ups for someone else in the line making a tick in the score know what i mean homie?








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slingerland66 wrote:

UKperc10 wrote:

there's something to be proud about slingerland66....

Dont be sucha STIFF!!! haha military style drumming isnt everyones schtick and its hard to respect your instructor when he sucks and makes you do laps around the track for being 10 seconds late and 50 push ups for someone else in the line making a tick in the score know what i mean homie?

How about getting hit on the shoulder bones with Hardimon size sticks if you get out of step durring your cadence? thats always fun. it is one of those things you have to go through and really have to love to appriciate it. if i never marched i'd think it was a bunch of gays in tight pants, dumb shoes and funny jacket playing sucky music and wondering around a football field. having experienced it though, im 100% greatful i did it and if i could go back i'd do it all again. i never imagined how awesome it would feel locking in with 7 other people playing the exact same part as me on the same instrument and making it sound like one person is playing it!

i love marching. First year i marched bass 3 and then i moved up to snare through a new indoor drumline program.

Well, I marched for 5 1/2 years. I loved it so much at the age of 18 I started teching.. I am 21 and am on the brink of a successful career in the music industry.

I owe what I have learned to a couple things. 1) Marching band. Marching band/drumline has shown me how to be precise and be fundamently sound. Discipline is another thing I learned as well as working with others towards one solid goal....

2) Trial and error. I have been in many bands. Even if I knew that the band I was in for that moment wouldn't be the great success that I had imagined, In a way it was. Because, you learn something everytime. Sometimes I learned how to be more precise on my timing, other times I learned how to understand other musicians work with them...

All and all, I recomend marching band to anyone but I know many drummers/musicians, think that it is homosexual and Geeky..

I am a proud band GEEK..

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I loved it. Even at 32 years of age I miss my high school marching band/drumline days. I would do it again if I could go back in time. It taught me several important lessons which I use in my playing to this day.

Most importantly it taught me the importance of time. Anytime one of us in the drumline dragged or rushed we'd get a glaring look from our instructor. He'd whack a pair of DC-10's right up next to your ear to get you back in time.

Secondly it taught me how to not only focus on what I was playing but to focus on listening to others. If the band got quieter, I was to play quieter too. Dynamics, dynamics, dynamics! Often I go watch bands play where the drummer is pounding away in his own world and not listening to what his bandmates are playing. I found that so annoying.

I also learned basic music theory which I honestly thought I would have paid a bit more attention too. It comes in handy in the songwriting process. Drummers that know at least basic music theory help prove wrong the stereotype that drummers aren't real musicians and that drummers are dumb.

Learning an understanding of different musical styles is something else I walked away with after drumline. While in band, we played everystyle imaginable. Everything from jazz, latin and rock. It's helped me out tremendously to this day in my playing. I play in a variety of different bands that all have their own style and sound. Thanks to drumline and band I was able to get a grasp of different styles and rhythms.

The only negative I really remember was that the other drummers in my drumline were a bunch of egotistical assholes. My instructor was a bit of a dickhead too. But, that was one of the lessons I learned also- how to work together with people you may not get along with. As drummers I'm sure we all have at least one story about having to work with a guitarist in a band we've wanted to punch in the face.

Since all my high school instructors were Blue Devils, I'm a big fan of Ditty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxL7yTE1EwI[/quote]

woahhh they get a little off in the high sticking haha
and that's not a very groovy cadence.

I was a bigger fan of the other video you posted, the tenor solos with the sweeps are killa hot.

Like many of you have said...same for me.

I owe a lot of my chops and creativities to drumline. I was on the Central High School snare line for 3 years (Omaha, NE), then marched with the Colts in 2000 (Cymbal line, but learned a lot from the snareline), then at the University of Nebraska (Lincoln) snareline for 3 years. So I really have to give credit to all that experience.

I love drumlines...but drum corps is getting a little "much" for me anymore. Not into electronics in shows.








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TenorAltom wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

does anyone happen to have the snare sheet music for the Cavaliers "electric wheelchair" exercise?

hey i got it, its pretty nice..i juss dont no how to send it threw this..give me your email or something so i can end it to you and some other stuff you might not have

can you send it to me too? I have an idea for next marching season =]

I really wanted to do that in High school but the kids
that played in the band got canned and shit like that
so i just kept on playing my drum set. But it is really
fun leanring diffrent things in the marching bands.

haha.
alot of my life was devoted to the essence of drumline.
i spend all 4 years oh highschool marching snare 2 years of which i was
center snare and drumline captain
i then went on to fsu where i was on the big 8 played snare there all 4 years as well

and 2 years after that i was a proud maddison scout.

drumline taught me the essentials in a sence of the obviouse
technique and corrdination. and the determination. maturity.
and displine associated with all forms of core style marching

but what i really got out of drumline in all 10 years of doing so
learning to depend on another person and having them depend on you
to take a sheet of music and bring to life something beautiful,technical
and entertaining to the masses as well as yourself

drumline basicly took my drumming skills to
levels far beyond what i could have fathomed now 13 years ago.
but it also prepared me for life.

so drumline is a huge thing if you can get into in then do so.
and you dont even have to march anything.
being a marimba or vibraphone or hell even a guy who
sits in the back hitting a cymbal in the drumline is a huge thing
you get the same experience and knowledge and levels of ability
that the guys out on the field get

sorry for the long post but drumline was my life and
all i breathed for 10 years so whenever i start talking about it
its hard to get me to shut up =]