dose anyone have some good beats or lessens to help with learning how to use the high hat to make that chick sound while playing the ride or toms?

take any swing pattern and put the hi-hat on the two and four and you should be getting what you want. Also try playing eighth notes on the hi-hat while drumming it will improve your time quite a bit.








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Get used to keeping the left going i
you can play quarter notes, or eighth notes while playing any groove.
for example, while playing eights on the ride keep the Hi-hat going
I did this for years and when I switched to double pedal I my left foot was already developed.
It also locks in the groove better

Suggest getting some footage/sounds of Jimmy Chamberlin - masterful left footing! Never particularly technical, but you don't come across many drummers who use the technique as successfully.

you might try doing something like playing your grooves on the ride and use your foot to play only the upbeats on your hi-hat at the same time.








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try playing the simplest groove:
assuming that you're lead hand is right it would be something like
8th notes on the ride cymbal
2s and 4s on the snare
1s and 3s on the kick
and now try to add different rhythmic values on your hi hat playing w/ foot - start from quater notes than go to 8th notes and 16th notes - for example play four bars of the groove + quarter notes hi hat than go to four bars of the groove + 8th note hi hat etc... it's a great workout for the left leg and it helped me a lot in my playing

you can also try to vary the basic groove your playing and incorporate mora advanced things on the hi hat like triplets, 16th note triplets etc








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Stick Control, man. Play something static with your hands and right foot while reading through the pages of Stick Control for your left foot.

I just joined this thing so sorry for the late reply. As a mainly self-taught drummer i learnt to control left-foot foot clicks by watching Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins). Start with some easy 4/4 stuff then progress to 3/4. By then you should be able to throw in anything you want and learn to control volume as well as timing.

It took me about 2 years to master this but was well worth it. Now when jamming out i can impress my band mates by, technically, playing an 'open off-beat' on my hats with my foot, whilst playing my ride, snare or toms. Most impressive when doing any form of snare roll whilst accenting with your bass drum.

This technique seems to also be used by Dennis Chambers and will probably help you when playing double-bass pedals.

Good luck!








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Gotta love that ol' K sound...

yea Jimmy Chamberlin pritty mutch got me started on wanting to learn this, thanks for the help people.

Also, if you can find videos of Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart they do a lot of hi-hat stuff.

Everyone's mentioned good practice exercises, so I'll talk about technique. Playing hi-hat is kind of like playing a flam, when you flam you want the grace note and attack to sound the same whether the tempo is 240 or 40. To get that effect, you wait to drop your grace note until the very last second before the attack no matter the tempo.

With the hi-hat, you want to wait until the very last second to open the hats. If you open the hats to early, they ring out as they open and the sound when you close them will be different. If you wait to long, the attack will be late. Teach yourself to open the close the hats with a single motion, and wait until the last second you can before attacking with them.

Really concentrate on getting that single hit out. Think of it like a bass drum, when all you hit is one hit that's as loud as possible. Getting the motion down fast and not letting the hats open early will give you the chick sound you're looking for.

ShermantheTank wrote:

Also, if you can find videos of Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart they do a lot of hi-hat stuff.

I agree, both are very good with off-beat hi-hat accents. Another name I would throw in is Carter Beauford. He and Neil are the two main guys that got me interested in experimenting with hi-hat syncopation.