i don't do rudiments. YES, i realize that if i want to learn something right that i should start with the basics and babble babble, so you don't need to tell me that i should.

i don't have time to hone anything, at least until i graduate so i'm just looking for some good cds to play along to that have good beginning level double-bass stuff. any suggestions?

i barely get any practice time during school and it's mostly for my sanity than for my skill, so it needs to be fun.

thanks

i'm a beginner ish medium skill player, and learned all lamb of god db patterns.








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i know you dont want to hear this, but taking the time to learn the basics will make everything you learn later a lot easier.

rushing this will only hurt you when you have to go back and relearn.

personally, i feel if you dont even want to invest the time to learn the building blocks such as rudiments you really have no business trying to attempt double pedal.

you have to be able to understand what you're playing and without the foundation that wont happen.

if you truely take drumming seriously why not start from the ground up and try to be the best you can be?

drummert2k wrote:

i know you dont want to hear this, but taking the time to learn the basics will make everything you learn later a lot easier.

rushing this will only hurt you when you have to go back and relearn.

personally, i feel if you dont even want to invest the time to learn the building blocks such as rudiments you really have no business trying to attempt double pedal.

you have to be able to understand what you're playing and without the foundation that wont happen.

if you truely take drumming seriously why not start from the ground up and try to be the best you can be?

word

mute wrote:

i don't do rudiments. YES, i realize that if i want to learn something right that i should start with the basics and babble babble, so you don't need to tell me that i should.

i don't have time to hone anything, at least until i graduate so i'm just looking for some good cds to play along to that have good beginning level double-bass stuff. any suggestions?

i barely get any practice time during school and it's mostly for my sanity than for my skill, so it needs to be fun.

thanks

233r 4fvtgnmik,

Thats pathetic. If you dont want to take the time to even learn the VERY basics, you dont deserve to drum. I hope that NO one helps you, because im sure as hell not.








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You guys, don't be assholes. He's going to practice the way he wants to, and you don't have the right to order him around. All he asked for was advice on what are good albums to learn double bass from. He didn't ask to be dicked around and told that he's undeserving of playing drums if he doesn't want to play rudiments.

I learned double kick from Lamb of God's Ashes of the Wake, Death's Human, Symbolic, Sound of Perserverance, Individual Thought Patterns, and Scream Bloody Gore, Slayer's Reign in Blood, Seasons of the Abyss, and Show No Mercy and to a lesser extent, Metallica's ...And Justice For All. I learned it by sitting down with my headphones and trying it over and over again. I realized that I needed to do some basic training too, however.

I know where you're coming from - it's no fun IMO sitting around playing endless paradiddles. But the way I got faster was taking a half hour or so a day and playing straight 16th notes, raising the tempo by 5-10 bpm every day.

What these guys are worried about is that the risk you run of trying to learn through songs is you hear a lot of double kickers just spazz on the pedals frantically trying to keep up with the songs, and their kicking is off time or erratic. Doing a half-hour (or even less) of basic kicking or rudiments will help you avoid that and give you brutal, unceasing, freight train double kick skill.

Good luck, metal brother.








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try listening to cradle of filth iron maiden cover hallowed by thy name.
its the first double pedal beat i've learn.








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mute wrote:

i don't do rudiments. YES, i realize that if i want to learn something right that i should start with the basics and babble babble, so you don't need to tell me that i should.

i don't have time to hone anything, at least until i graduate so i'm just looking for some good cds to play along to that have good beginning level double-bass stuff. any suggestions?

i barely get any practice time during school and it's mostly for my sanity than for my skill, so it needs to be fun.

thanks

I guess it depends what tempo you're looking for man. I mean, most rock songs you can play straight double bass over if that's all you're looking for. If you're looking for a fun double bass pattern, try matching the Bass guitar line with your kick from The Trooper by Iron Maiden. Kind of a gallop pattern (1+a 2+a) I had a lot of fun with that pattern!

That would even be a good one to work up to in terms of speed if you're still beginning. Like i said just pop in one of your fav. heavy metal albums and play a double bass line over it. Hell even some pantera would work!

The goal at first is control and precision anyway so speed isn't important. Once you gain control of your feet then you can really crank up the tempo! good luck my friend!








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Jeez guys just cause he doesnt wanna do rudiments doesn't make em a bad guy.

Sepultura is good to go along with. Most of the dbl kicks arn't too difficult to get a hold of within the first month of practice.

Cheers tho man. I'll help ya with what I know if ya need it. If I find more good cds to play with ill post more up... But im tired and wanna go to sleep








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I dont know your ability with the rest of the kit, but I got double kicks last summer, and it takes a while to get the feel, I recorded with them a month back, and some of if it wasnt great.

I enjoy practicing the main double bass orientated bits in these songs -

Killswitch Engage - End of Heartache

Has some striaght forward double bass parts, playing along with the chug of the guitars, and also straight 16th double bass beats

Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon

As soon as drums start you hear a very good, and addictive beat with db, you wont help but play it at band practice. Also some straight 16ths double bass about a minute and a half in (guessing, aprox).

Lamb of God - Confessional

Lamb of god double bass is quite hard because the drummer is very dinamic, using alot of tom and cymbol work while doing db. Though this song is easier, though it will take ALOT of double bass stamina and is quite fast - good test

Primus - Wyonas Big Brown Beaver

Big fan of Herbs double bass work because he never over does it, would never stick straight 16ths through a song!! Most songs will just have wee of double bass in them, but this has a cool beat with double bass that can be played from start to finish

Pantera - I'm Broken

Nice double bass fills!!!

Nightwish - Gethsemane

Not really a fan of nightwish... but they had a go at a prog style album (which is great), and this song has cool double bass paterns through out, switchin from just using right foot, to using db.


Most of the songs their are pretty famous, so hope you got them, or get downloadin!

Also I agree with you other dudes, paradidles etc...and check the net for exercises so you get double bass stamina, tightness and control

Hikikomori wrote:

i'm a beginner ish medium skill player, and learned all lamb of god db patterns.

awesome. i'll check them out. thanks, duder!

drummert2k wrote:

i know you dont want to hear this, but taking the time to learn the basics will make everything you learn later a lot easier.

rushing this will only hurt you when you have to go back and relearn.

personally, i feel if you dont even want to invest the time to learn the building blocks such as rudiments you really have no business trying to attempt double pedal.

you have to be able to understand what you're playing and without the foundation that wont happen.

if you truely take drumming seriously why not start from the ground up and try to be the best you can be?

you're absolutely right; i could give a flying fuck about this. however, i'm sure it's good for some others to hear that might care and are just starting out. you do have to sell your lessons after all, eh?

i don't have time or money to "truely [sic] take drumming seriously" and "be the best i can be." props to those of you that do.

mute wrote:

you do have to sell your lessons after all, eh?

i don't have time or money to "truely [sic] take drumming seriously" and "be the best i can be." props to those of you that do.

i do charge to give lessons but thats only after years and years of paying to take lessons.

and you're young, you have a whole lifetime to devote to drumming. while money might be a factor, time is not.

and you can search youtube and even this forum for information to really build yourself a good solid beginning foundation

PatternsInTheIvy wrote:

233r 4fvtgnmik,

Thats pathetic. If you dont want to take the time to even learn the VERY basics, you dont deserve to drum. I hope that NO one helps you, because im sure as hell not.

well hello there, mr. high and mighty. i'm surprised you could hear us up there in your ivory tower. as i understand it, though, this forum is for musicians, not only uptight, sticks-up-the-ass drum snobs. newsflash, asshole: your way to drum is not the only way. again, thanks for stopping by. check out the market on your way back to the palace.

drummert2k wrote:

i do charge to give lessons but thats only after years and years of paying to take lessons.

and you're young, you have a whole lifetime to devote to drumming. while money might be a factor, time is not.

and you can search youtube and even this forum for information to really build yourself a good solid beginning foundation

yeah, i've been here for a few weeks so, trust me, i know well and good that you teach lessons, etc. etc.

but yes, time actually is a factor when you have no time to practice because of school and work. money is a factor when you can't afford to take that time off to sit around and practice/play.

also, you're younger than me, dude.

Alcyon wrote:

You guys, don't be assholes. He's going to practice the way he wants to, and you don't have the right to order him around. All he asked for was advice on what are good albums to learn double bass from. He didn't ask to be dicked around and told that he's undeserving of playing drums if he doesn't want to play rudiments.

What these guys are worried about is that the risk you run of trying to learn through songs is you hear a lot of double kickers just spazz on the pedals frantically trying to keep up with the songs, and their kicking is off time or erratic. Doing a half-hour (or even less) of basic kicking or rudiments will help you avoid that and give you brutal, unceasing, freight train double kick skill.

Good luck, metal brother.

word. thanks, man! i will check out those bands that you suggested.

i realize that i'll get some spazz action, but i'm not planning to use this in playing outside of by myself for fun, so i'm not too concerned at this point.

zharil wrote:

try listening to cradle of filth iron maiden cover hallowed by thy name.
its the first double pedal beat i've learn.

ok. i will!



infiznitch:

i guess some slower stuff would be good to start. i tried some A7X stuff but he's pretty quick on some songs. i can do some of it but not all. (was that guy faster on their first record or is it just me?) so something a bit slower would be good. i love maiden, so i'll give that a go. thanks!



piddywiffle:

thanks for the words and suggestions. i'll check those too!


johnmc2k:

wow, man, that's a detailed response. i really appreciate it!



thanks guys. i got to lot of music to find and learn with now.

mute wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i do charge to give lessons but thats only after years and years of paying to take lessons.

and you're young, you have a whole lifetime to devote to drumming. while money might be a factor, time is not.

and you can search youtube and even this forum for information to really build yourself a good solid beginning foundation

yeah, i've been here for a few weeks so, trust me, i know well and good that you teach lessons, etc. etc.

but yes, time actually is a factor when you have no time to practice because of school and work. money is a factor when you can't afford to take that time off to sit around and practice/play.

also, you're younger than me, dude.

alright, although i dont condone this approach, the best way to learn something fast is to do it in a way you enjoy.

take cd you already know the structure. bon jovi, savage garden, something cheesey like that. you're only using the song as a tempo reference. take these songs and play the verse with all double kicking triplets and then do the choruses with 16th notes.

the transitions are important. the note going into a pattern has to be as solid as the last note.

using this approach will cause you to push yourself because you have a tempo reference so you cant slow down or speed up. you'll be doing it through out a song so you cant just stop if you get tired. and you're playing along to a song rather than an annoying click.

i know you want to do this in as little time as possible. but learn to play straight rythms ( 16th, triplets, whatever) and then when that is down solid you can start breaking up the rythms.

also check youtube for the heel/toe technique. you can learn it in like 5 minutes and with practice will help you're speed.

just dont use all this as a replacement for true detailed practice.

right on, i can give that a shot. i don't know the structure of either of those (savage garden?) but i get your drift.

mute wrote:

right on, i can give that a shot. i don't know the structure of either of those (savage garden?) but i get your drift.

i was just using those as an example. you just want something you semi know. make it feel more like you're jamming rather than practicing. enjoying what you're doing is the key here. since you're pressed for time you need to try to get your jamming and practice in at the same time.

Hey dude

This is an oldie but a goodie (showing my age a bit!)

Pantera's album "Cowboys From Hell" is a good one to start on, as is "Vulgar Display of Power". The playing is really precise and clear, and easy to pick up on. Both albums are mixed in such a way that the parts are easy to pick out.








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LoL at some of you getting heated because he doesn't want to learn rudiment.
He wants to have fun, he didn't ask for y'all to come in and be his drum-mother.

If you want to have fun using double bass, listen around for some primitive metal bands, dude. I don't know of many right now that I could recommend, but listen around to some metal bands, and you'll definitely hear some stuff taht interests you and some popular bands have really easy drums. Good luck.

Heres a simple beat you could play... easy and sounds nice:

hi-hat: . . . . . . . . .
bas : , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
snare: 0 0

Figure it out. If you need help, just ask.

drummert2k wrote:

i know you dont want to hear this, but taking the time to learn the basics will make everything you learn later a lot easier.

rushing this will only hurt you when you have to go back and relearn.

personally, i feel if you dont even want to invest the time to learn the building blocks such as rudiments you really have no business trying to attempt double pedal.

you have to be able to understand what you're playing and without the foundation that wont happen.

if you truely take drumming seriously why not start from the ground up and try to be the best you can be?

I don't understand. Why not start with two bass pedals? Many drummers, after years of single bass, decide to try to play double bass and their left foot is just not up to it, and it takes years of frustration to get the left foot as good as the right. Why, then, why why why do people insist you start with one drum pedal? It's like telling people to only develop properly their right hand! What happened to being able to use all four limbs? For me, technique is the basics... To ignore your left foot is to ignore technique.

I don't understand why people have to act like double bass is such a mammoth stepping stone of difficulty - like it's somehow to advanced for a new drummer to fathom... It simply isn't.

Alcyon wrote:

You guys, don't be assholes. He's going to practice the way he wants to, and you don't have the right to order him around. All he asked for was advice on what are good albums to learn double bass from. He didn't ask to be dicked around and told that he's undeserving of playing drums if he doesn't want to play rudiments.

I learned double kick from Lamb of God's Ashes of the Wake, Death's Human, Symbolic, Sound of Perserverance, Individual Thought Patterns, and Scream Bloody Gore, Slayer's Reign in Blood, Seasons of the Abyss, and Show No Mercy and to a lesser extent, Metallica's ...And Justice For All. I learned it by sitting down with my headphones and trying it over and over again. I realized that I needed to do some basic training too, however.

I know where you're coming from - it's no fun IMO sitting around playing endless paradiddles. But the way I got faster was taking a half hour or so a day and playing straight 16th notes, raising the tempo by 5-10 bpm every day.

What these guys are worried about is that the risk you run of trying to learn through songs is you hear a lot of double kickers just spazz on the pedals frantically trying to keep up with the songs, and their kicking is off time or erratic. Doing a half-hour (or even less) of basic kicking or rudiments will help you avoid that and give you brutal, unceasing, freight train double kick skill.

Good luck, metal brother.