What is the best way to get rid of some of the resonance? My drums resonate alot and it's not bad I just want less of it.

when i got my first set i duck taped cut up wool socks on the heads, i wouldn't suggest that unless you were really low on money, and if you are talking about overtones, then i suggest rings or moongel








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im a fan of moongel. and if a whole one is too much you can cut it in half. great little product

I use moon gels if over tones get bad on the res head. Also make sure it is tuned properly. Some people think that the res head is just there to be there but.....NOPE it serves a purpose. Good luck!








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im a fan of moongel. and if a whole one is too much you can cut it in half. great little product

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i'm also on board with the moongel users. it's hands down the best product i've found for muffling.

yes i also use moongel, so seriously look into getting some, they do wonders








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i use one moongel on my snare, and not all the time. if your toms have overtones you should learn to tune and if they resonate too much you should get different heads (hydraulics would be your best bet). if you do muffle, use moongels (or sticky hands if you can get them) becaus those remo rings are crap.








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Real life doesn't work that way, and one day he's gonna pull a stunt like that and they'll put a cap in him. At that point it won't matter that he was fat in high-school and couldn't get laid.

I also agree with moongel they are great but you have to have a tuned drum too. As my tuning has gotten better I find I don't need to muffle my drums any longer. If you're learning to tune drums the best thing I have found to help is the drum dial. Its a great help until you learn how.

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i use one moongel on my snare, and not all the time. if your toms have overtones you should learn to tune and if they resonate too much you should get different heads (hydraulics would be your best bet). if you do muffle, use moongels (or sticky hands if you can get them) becaus those remo rings are crap.

I used to tape and moongel everything but I have found that just getting the right kind of heads (hydraulics for me) really helped to control the drum and get it to sound the way I wanted. You can also try thicker resonant heads (i.e. - coated, or pinstripe).








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drummert2k wrote:

im a fan of moongel. and if a whole one is too much you can cut it in half. great little product

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anavrinIV wrote:

i use one moongel on my snare, and not all the time. if your toms have overtones you should learn to tune and if they resonate too much you should get different heads (hydraulics would be your best bet). if you do muffle, use moongels (or sticky hands if you can get them) becaus those remo rings are crap.

I loves me my hydraulics and all (on my toms), but I tried one on my snare once... and that lasted about two weeks. I don't really know why, but it just didn't sound all that great. However, if your main goal is to eliminate high-end ring, it will work wonders in that respect.

i used to moon gel my sanre to the max, but now ive put them on my floor toms instead, my snare sounds much better now and so do the floors








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hey I have a gretsch snare that i play and part of the bands/my act is to grab my spare snare and "take it to the crowd" this is fine and i have no problem, except my snare (being wood) is sooooooo ringy, in a large place it sounds awful what can i do to cut it out, ive tried different heads and my heads are tuned. and i cant use rings and dont want to buy an internal muffler and deface my snare... will the moongel do the trick? any ideas please would be most welcome

Wayne

I like to use moon gel. Great little product! Remo has the rings that you place on your toms to cut some of the overtones. I've also used those as well. It comes down to what you can afford. Plain old duct tape works well in a pinch.








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as i said, (i know i wasn't too clear on the reason) i cant use rings, reason being the drum is sideways in my hand as i walk around. i will try the moongel.

If you tune them correctly...muffling is not needed. Critics be damned! I've been playing, recording and teaching for 20 years and muffled for many years till I was taught how to tune correctly. The only reason that I can think of to muffle now is you have a cheapo set of drums with poorly constructed shells...which usually sound like crap to begin with (so you have nothing to lose). If you own quality drums with quality heads and tru rims then let them do their job to sound great...it's up to you to learn the final step...tuning!

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If you tune them correctly...muffling is not needed. Critics be damned! I've been playing, recording and teaching for 20 years and muffled for many years till I was taught how to tune correctly. The only reason that I can think of to muffle now is you have a cheapo set of drums with poorly constructed shells...which usually sound like crap to begin with (so you have nothing to lose). If you own quality drums with quality heads and tru rims then let them do their job to sound great...it's up to you to learn the final step...tuning!

Good point and there are lots of "tutorial" about tuning, but they tend to (in my case) leave you more confused than informed.. i use a ddrum dial, and tune my snare to 88(batter) and 83 (res.) the dial gets close but i always have to do a little "fine tuning" but i have no idea what the correlation between the batter and resonant head should be ie: tuned to the same note, or a full note different. i saw in an earlier post that someone put that the resonant head is there for a reason... but in terms of tuning, is there a 'tried and trusted' differential?

Wayne

oops, got that the wrong way round its 83 on the batter side and 88 on the resonant....

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If you tune them correctly...muffling is not needed. Critics be damned! I've been playing, recording and teaching for 20 years and muffled for many years till I was taught how to tune correctly. The only reason that I can think of to muffle now is you have a cheapo set of drums with poorly constructed shells...which usually sound like crap to begin with (so you have nothing to lose). If you own quality drums with quality heads and tru rims then let them do their job to sound great...it's up to you to learn the final step...tuning!

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dont muffle anything but the bass drums!

get remo power sonic bass drum heads so you dont have to put crap in you bass drums


just take the time to learn how to tune! you will get a better sound out of your drums


NEVER MUFFLE YOUR SNARE! later

dont muffle anything but the bass drums!

get remo power sonic bass drum heads so you dont have to put crap in you bass drums


just take the time to learn how to tune! you will get a better sound out of your drums


NEVER MUFFLE YOUR SNARE! later

oh and its real easy to tune drums/ dont think for a second that you cant even if your a beginner.
lets see if i can make this easy / im not going to tell you how to tune a snare drum period. if you listen to someone your just going to get the sound they are getting and in most cases you wont like the out come!. so im just going to show you how to tune your toms and bass drums ok here we go/ first pull off the tom from the stand you have it on then loosen the bottom head the resonant head all the way loose then hand tighten each lug using the cross pattern that means like a star shape OK GOT IT COOl now that there hand tight you want to put the tom in your lap with the head your tuning up of course! lol press with your finger or fingers in the middle of the drum not too DAMN HARD ok! just like med pressure SEE THe WRINKLES IN THE HEAD! OK those are important from now ON OK! if you have white coated heads get under a good light to see the wrinkles / ok then start turning the lugs with your drum key in that same start shape pattern with your fingers still putting pressure in the middle of the head/ turn about half turn each lug till the wrikles are all gone which will not take too long believe me/ OK now that we have all the wrinkles gone from the head do the same for the batter side the side you hit with the drum sticks LOL / NOW YOUR DRUM IS IN TUNE WITH ITSELF.. THATS IT!!!! IF YOU HAVE A CHEAP BEGINNERS DRUM SET DONT EXPECT IT TO SOUND LIKE MIKE PORTNYS DRUM SET !! OK CAUSE IT WILL ABSALUTLY NOT !!!! OK DAMN i HOPE THAT CLEARED IT UP LATERS !!!!

The first thing to do is get rid of the factory heads that came on your kit.

The moongels work great. Someone mentioned loosing them. Keep them clean with warm water and they will stick great. The heads can make a huge difference. Hydraulics are great as someone pointed out. I recommend that you find the heads that sound and more importantly "feel" the way you like. Some people don't like the feel and response of two ply or hydraulic heads. Start their and decide how to muffle. You may have to try several different heads to find the ones you like.

I like to use the moongels on my snare in quieter situations otherwise loud or live let it ring. It may sound overwhelming in your face but sounds pretty good out in front. If the ring is sour or not smooth and sweet, try tuning the drum some more top and bottom. A tighter bottom head will give you a smoother ring. If it it a really cheap drum you might be stuck with it.

You can usually get a good result using a thicker or two ply head on the bottoms of your toms to get them to settle down a little. I don't like "muffling the batter heads on toms it seems to take the tone and pop out of the drum.

It all comes down to this if you tune your drums and get the right head combonation you will not have to muffle them at all for ringing or rattling. You should record your drums from across the room and listen to them. What you here in your face is not what you hear across the room or out in front. You may be very surprised.

good luck - jeffro

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dont muffle anything but the bass drums!

get remo power sonic bass drum heads so you dont have to put crap in you bass drums


just take the time to learn how to tune! you will get a better sound out of your drums


NEVER MUFFLE YOUR SNARE! later

oh and its real easy to tune drums/ dont think for a second that you cant even if your a beginner.
lets see if i can make this easy / im not going to tell you how to tune a snare drum period. if you listen to someone your just going to get the sound they are getting and in most cases you wont like the out come!. so im just going to show you how to tune your toms and bass drums ok here we go/ first pull off the tom from the stand you have it on then loosen the bottom head the resonant head all the way loose then hand tighten each lug using the cross pattern that means like a star shape OK GOT IT COOl now that there hand tight you want to put the tom in your lap with the head your tuning up of course! lol press with your finger or fingers in the middle of the drum not too DAMN HARD ok! just like med pressure SEE THe WRINKLES IN THE HEAD! OK those are important from now ON OK! if you have white coated heads get under a good light to see the wrinkles / ok then start turning the lugs with your drum key in that same start shape pattern with your fingers still putting pressure in the middle of the head/ turn about half turn each lug till the wrikles are all gone which will not take too long believe me/ OK now that we have all the wrinkles gone from the head do the same for the batter side the side you hit with the drum sticks LOL / NOW YOUR DRUM IS IN TUNE WITH ITSELF.. THATS IT!!!! IF YOU HAVE A CHEAP BEGINNERS DRUM SET DONT EXPECT IT TO SOUND LIKE MIKE PORTNYS DRUM SET !! OK CAUSE IT WILL ABSALUTLY NOT !!!! OK DAMN i HOPE THAT CLEARED IT UP LATERS !!!!

yes, i don't have a problem tuning the individual heads...i can do that no problem.... my question was what is the tuning difference between the batter and the resonant heads a higher or lower pitch? and how much is there an optimum differential to reduce the ring or is it keep trying different tensions on your heads till you stumble across it?

hands down just a thin flat pillow lying flat on the bass drum base touching both front and batter skin, works perfectly for me with a felt beater on a bare head








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oh and yeah, i just muffle the bass drum, why would u want to muffle the beautiful noise toms and snare make? that ring u get on toms blends perfectly into the music anyway








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I never muffle my snare, period. My 20" kick on my tour kit has nothing in it either. My 22" on my studio kit has a very small pillow just barely making contact with both heads just to kill some of the boominess while recording. My toms generally have very little or no muffling, except when I first change heads. I typically use Coated Pinstripe batters, which are hard to dial in right away. So, I will tune them a bit higher than normal and really work to seat the batter head, then i will place a moongel or a small amount of duct tape on the batter head. This is generally only for a couple of practices, until the heads really seat in, then I take the tape off. I tend to tune my batter heads about 1/2 step higher than my resonant heads, and I start with my floor tom, so as not to tune my rack toms too low. I try to tune my 10", 12", and 14" toms to an approximate minor chord, as it blends with our music better that way. My 16" just gets tuned as low as it will go without getting flabby. Just my personal tuning, doesn't work for everyone.

Well alot of your problem is tuning and head combinations. I honestly can't tell you what head to use because in my experience not all heads work the same on every drum. I've always had good luck with Remo emperor's both coated and clear. On the bottoms I use resonate heads but I think ambassadors would work better for you on the bottom. Next is finding your sound, there are many tuning combinations for toms and then your last thing is then using moon gel's. I only use moon gel's on my floor toms when mic'ing. Just remember drums are to ring or "sing". But it's more personal preference.








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Potatoe Snack wrote:

I love moongel but I always lose it.

I agree...I loose them too..I just take a small hunk of duct tape and roll it inside out so the stiky side is out and put on the head near the edge..usually right under where the mic is..the smaller the drum the shorter the tube of tape.. it doesn't come off as much as Moongel..it will in time loose it's stickyness....I have my drums tuned where I'm not using anything on the snare or toms right now..!!








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