When you use triggers on your kick, what is your kick head surface like ? What I whant to know is, do you tighten the head real tight with alot of stuffing inside the kick, or a loose head ? Just wandering..!! Thanks !!








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dave lynch wrote:

When you use triggers on your kick, what is your kick head surface like ? What I whant to know is, do you tighten the head real tight with alot of stuffing inside the kick, or a loose head ? Just wandering..!! Thanks !!

I use it the smae way as when I have it mic'ed. But then I use the Ddrums triggers which are the industry standard and were designed to be very transparent to the drummer.








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skitch wrote:

dave lynch wrote:

When you use triggers on your kick, what is your kick head surface like ? What I whant to know is, do you tighten the head real tight with alot of stuffing inside the kick, or a loose head ? Just wandering..!! Thanks !!

I use it the smae way as when I have it mic'ed. But then I use the Ddrums triggers which are the industry standard and were designed to be very transparent to the drummer.

What is the REAL reason to use triggers if you don't mind me asking ? I used to have some old Simmons and it seemed like what ever I did came out real easy, but the sound was so even that it was hard to be versatile on valume...Are the newer triggers better for that these days ? It almost seems to me that they're used more for eveness while doing long fast double kick stuff..!!








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I think the reason why metal drummers use triggers is because the normal bass drum sound can't cut through the music. I went to a metal show before and none of the drummers could get the bass out there because the guitars were so loud and everything.

Triggers are for pussies.

They do have a purpose, but I never dug that cheap electronic sound. Added to a mic'd kick and mixed in, they can emphasize, but triggers alone bother me.








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i agree that tiggers should be mixed with your nautral miced bass drum sound








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Ideally yes, but I don't live in the ideal world. If I had my cake and could eat it too I'd have my own sound man, mixer and PA too, but kick triggers fit my budget better, and it made working with the local venue's available equipment much easier.

Thanks folks...Ummm..I still am wandering if folks use triggers as a way to pad the hell out of the kick and have a tight dead drum head for better beater action...I guess in a round about way I'm asking if that's a way to gain speed !!








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dave lynch wrote:

Thanks folks...Ummm..I still am wandering if folks use triggers as a way to pad the hell out of the kick and have a tight dead drum head for better beater action...I guess in a round about way I'm asking if that's a way to gain speed !!

i second this question!!!!








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dave lynch wrote:

Thanks folks...Ummm..I still am wandering if folks use triggers as a way to pad the hell out of the kick and have a tight dead drum head for better beater action...I guess in a round about way I'm asking if that's a way to gain speed !!

i second this question!!!!

You can set up your heads however you want, but it helps to have some muffling. You could pack it full and tighten your head as far as it will go, but then your bass drum(s) will sound like ass, and it still won't make your feet move any faster. Most guys I know don't want to completly sacrifice the accoustic sound of their bass drums for a marginal gain in rebound

Fundamentally, the best way to gain speed is to work on creating full, pronounced strokes. Don't get by with tricks such as triggers and electronic drums. You will be a lot more versatile.








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Rob the Drummer wrote:

Triggers are for pussies.

They do have a purpose, but I never dug that cheap electronic sound. Added to a mic'd kick and mixed in, they can emphasize, but triggers alone bother me.

Most metal drummers use triggers becausre mics don't pick up the kick drum as well as a trigger does. Also, triggering is great when dealing with a guy who owns a PA rig but isn't a soundman.








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Kick triggers are also good for these guys; http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Buttkicker-Concert-Sonic-Shaker?sku=482251








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Rick_danger wrote:

Fundamentally, the best way to gain speed is to work on creating full, pronounced strokes. Don't get by with tricks such as triggers and electronic drums. You will be a lot more versatile.

What tricks might those be? I use triggers and I have found your way more naked with them, IE if you fuck up a double bass part, it's gonna stick out WAY more with triggers. I can play either way, but with single kick, double pedal setup, there is only so fast you can go before it just starts to sound like mush with a mic, the triggers will give it added definition no acoustic kick can replicate, I don't care if you own Jesus Christ's blessed kick drum of doom, it's not gonna track strokes like a trigger. I have run a mic and trigger at the same time, thats like having your cake and eating it too, very nice indeed, but it was at one of the largest downtown venues in Baltimore with a HUGE PA and a sound crew of 3-5 guys. You aren't gonna get the royal treatment like that at Mo's Tavern in downtown nowhere USA. Another thing that rocks about triggers is that they sound pretty good no matter what shitty PA they are plugged into. Even my friend at my work who plays blues has his drummer use triggers on his kick and snare so that they sound better through smaller PA systems.








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dahlgrendrummer wrote:

Rick_danger wrote:

Fundamentally, the best way to gain speed is to work on creating full, pronounced strokes. Don't get by with tricks such as triggers and electronic drums. You will be a lot more versatile.

What tricks might those be? I use triggers and I have found your way more naked with them, IE if you fuck up a double bass part, it's gonna stick out WAY more with triggers. I can play either way, but with single kick, double pedal setup, there is only so fast you can go before it just starts to sound like mush with a mic, the triggers will give it added definition no acoustic kick can replicate, I don't care if you own Jesus Christ's blessed kick drum of doom, it's not gonna track strokes like a trigger. I have run a mic and trigger at the same time, thats like having your cake and eating it too, very nice indeed, but it was at one of the largest downtown venues in Baltimore with a HUGE PA and a sound crew of 3-5 guys. You aren't gonna get the royal treatment like that at Mo's Tavern in downtown nowhere USA. Another thing that rocks about triggers is that they sound pretty good no matter what shitty PA they are plugged into. Even my friend at my work who plays blues has his drummer use triggers on his kick and snare so that they sound better through smaller PA systems.

Dahlgrendrummer got it right on. There is a common misconception among players who don't use triggers that they somehow enable you to play better/faster. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Triggers do not = cheating. What you play is what is heard. The only difference is that it IS heard. You have to play all the notes very clean or else people will know it.

Obviously they are not for everyone but if you play metal, where kick drum is fundamental, triggers are a necessity. If you are playing in a low volume jazz band then, yeah, you don't need your kicks shaking the paint from the walls. Use the tools of the trade. A majority of the signed, touring metal bands are triggering their kicks, at least, if not more.

In my experience, most soundmen are HAPPY that I use them since they save time.

I just don't get the name calling (Rob) in this thread. We are all drummers trying to get better at what we do and provide information to others.

Also, in regards to the original question, my kicks are tuned/tightened the same as if I was playing normally and they work fine. Most of the tweeks you will need to do are going to happen in your module. I don't know that increasing tension on the head helps or not.

When I had a simmons set I took an earphone from a walkman and connected it to a guitar cord and made my own triggers for my kick and sanare..I just taped them on..U No ? Low budget..lol..Anyway I still needed my kick and snare to feel normal..Is a matter of fact I tried that tight head packed with a ton of stuff and it created tiny bounces and there were times a single stroke sounded like some 64's or 128's haha..There's a triplet that sounds like a flam but it's three beats and not two...I'm not shure what they're called, but it was like that...Anyway thanks for all the responces..!!








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