well, it depends why you want to get triggers, kinda like a tattoo... it can be good if it's for the right reasons.

#1- if your just stuck trying to get power out of really fast tempos, that's not always why you should, give it some time, and you'll be blazzing loud at 210 in no time.

#2- if you just want to trigger because you like the tone better, sure you can throw a bit of money and never have to tune/ or buy a new set again.

It can be hard to find "THE SOUND" that you want, and you dont always have all the time in the world to try on 7,200 drum heads combinations to get it. Not to mention the different shells too. Triggering takes care of that, so you just have to browse through some files.

so just think about why you want triggers before buying them.








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Triggering has it pros and cons just like everything else. Those who say triggering is cheating have no clue about triggering and typically are people who have never used them.

Triggering does not make a drummer able to play double bass better. Most anti-trigger people say that it allows the drummer to not have to hit the bass drum as hard. While this is true to a point, they don't realize that the higher you set the trigger sensitivity, the higher the chance of crosstalk (other drums setting off the trigger) so this argument is made in ignorance.

Triggering to make your drums sound better is cheating? Since when? Where is the rule book that says that? Is putting duct tape on the heads cheating too? Or how about a pillow in the bass drum? Those cheating bastards!

Triggering is a tool just like anything else.








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A much needed tool when your looking for power and speed and consistency throughout multiple 9 minute songs

And dont have to worry about ghost triggers with the Axis E-kit triggers








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Timekeep69 wrote:

Triggering has it pros and cons just like everything else. Those who say triggering is cheating have no clue about triggering and typically are people who have never used them.

Triggering does not make a drummer able to play double bass better. Most anti-trigger people say that it allows the drummer to not have to hit the bass drum as hard. While this is true to a point, they don't realize that the higher you set the trigger sensitivity, the higher the chance of crosstalk (other drums setting off the trigger) so this argument is made in ignorance.

Triggering to make your drums sound better is cheating? Since when? Where is the rule book that says that? Is putting duct tape on the heads cheating too? Or how about a pillow in the bass drum? Those cheating bastards!

Triggering is a tool just like anything else.

i never sayed it was cheating I dont cheat!! *cry's*


haha, dont get the sound triggers, those get tipped off by the bassist alot.

(The sad thing about triggers is that i know of some people found a way to set it to do all the notes for them... so they hit once, and you get 4 bassdrums comming out instead of just the one. mind you, they dont use it, but it was pretty hilarious hahaha.)








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I'm slightly biased, but if your going to "trigger" your drums. just get digital drum pads and u wont have all the problems of triggering....not to sound like a prick or anything, but would you feel like you looked stupid on stage with an electronic kit?

Timekeep69 wrote:

Triggering to make your drums sound better is cheating? Since when? Where is the rule book that says that? Is putting duct tape on the heads cheating too? Or how about a pillow in the bass drum? Those cheating bastards!

Triggering is a tool just like anything else.

it is a tool. but it doesnt make your drums sound better. if you have a shit drum u throw a trigger on, its still gonna sound like a shit drum, its just not gonna be the sound that comes out of the speakers cause its gonna play a pre set sound. So triggering cannot be compared to actually changing the sound of ur drum using physical means (tuning, wood type, muffling etc.)

whats the point in tuning if you're just gonna trigger








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it may not be the most common practice, but some people do still want to mic their heads for the acoustic tone while using the triggers to add other tones you couldn't get without them. Maybe there's only a few songs per show where you want a different sound; FOH turns up the triggered signal.
Only want acoustic tones? Turn down the triggered tracks.








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MasterShake89 wrote:

Timekeep69 wrote:

Triggering to make your drums sound better is cheating? Since when? Where is the rule book that says that? Is putting duct tape on the heads cheating too? Or how about a pillow in the bass drum? Those cheating bastards!

Triggering is a tool just like anything else.

it is a tool. but it doesnt make your drums sound better. if you have a shit drum u throw a trigger on, its still gonna sound like a shit drum, its just not gonna be the sound that comes out of the speakers cause its gonna play a pre set sound. So triggering cannot be compared to actually changing the sound of ur drum using physical means (tuning, wood type, muffling etc.)

And what sound will the crowd hear? The sound of the shit drum or the sound coming out of the PA?








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Timekeep69 wrote:

MasterShake89 wrote:

Timekeep69 wrote:

Triggering to make your drums sound better is cheating? Since when? Where is the rule book that says that? Is putting duct tape on the heads cheating too? Or how about a pillow in the bass drum? Those cheating bastards!

Triggering is a tool just like anything else.

it is a tool. but it doesnt make your drums sound better. if you have a shit drum u throw a trigger on, its still gonna sound like a shit drum, its just not gonna be the sound that comes out of the speakers cause its gonna play a pre set sound. So triggering cannot be compared to actually changing the sound of ur drum using physical means (tuning, wood type, muffling etc.)

And what sound will the crowd hear? The sound of the shit drum or the sound coming out of the PA?

no but you compared it to physically altering the sound of ur drum. exactely its not the drum being heard by them so why not just take out the frustration factor and just get a digital pad or if u do ur whole set, a digital set. is it because u would feel stupid with a digital drum set on stage?

You can knitpick all you want, whether by electrictronic or mechanical means, it's still modifying the sound of the drum.








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I personally think that triggering is and isnt cheating. Bass drum yes. I recently saw at one of my bands shows who triggered his bass drum with the beaters like and inch away from the head so he could plkay two tens without having to lift your feat. i dont think that you should do that unless you can do it without triggers. Drums are an acoustic instrument. PERIOD!!! But, there are certain efects that are useful, like an 808 triggered to a second floar tom, for those sick breakdowns. but come on, learn it before you trigger stuff.... not saying that all people who trigger their bass drums cheat, but those who do, just to play fast doesnt mean squat without technique. You could be the fastest drummer in thw world, but you arent crap without technique

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Bass drum yes. I recently saw at one of my bands shows who triggered his bass drum with the beaters like and inch away from the head so he could plkay two tens without having to lift your feat. i dont think that you should do that unless you can do it without triggers.

This isn't cheating with or without triggers, it's just piss poor bass drum technique. It's basically someone who wants to go fast without doing all the work to get there, and it will show itself in inconsistency. Even though I run triggered, I use proper kick drum technique to avoid such problems, because, what if my triggering rig takes a shit? I still need to make it sound as good as possible!








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downshifter99 wrote:

I'll be the only one to say it......To hell with triggering!

I've bee playing for 18 years and have NEVER needed( )to trigger anything.....but then again,I play a double pedal as appossed to having two bass drums.

I personally think that triggering IS a way of cheating...if you want that perfect sound then go all the way and play an electric kit.

I am VERY biased.....drums a acoustic instruments so why look to electronics to cheat the sound?

Anyhow,sorry for being the ass...it's a dirty job but, someone's got to do it!

I feel the exact same way. I prefer the natural sounds of the drums, and if I want the right sound, I tune it until I get it instead of putting something on it that has that sound. but if people want to do it thats their issue. I personally think if there is no need to trigger, I wont.








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metldrummer2112 wrote:

downshifter99 wrote:

I'll be the only one to say it......To hell with triggering!

I've bee playing for 18 years and have NEVER needed( )to trigger anything.....but then again,I play a double pedal as appossed to having two bass drums.

I personally think that triggering IS a way of cheating...if you want that perfect sound then go all the way and play an electric kit.

I am VERY biased.....drums a acoustic instruments so why look to electronics to cheat the sound?

Anyhow,sorry for being the ass...it's a dirty job but, someone's got to do it!

I feel the exact same way. I prefer the natural sounds of the drums, and if I want the right sound, I tune it until I get it instead of putting something on it that has that sound. but if people want to do it thats their issue. I personally think if there is no need to trigger, I wont.

If I had unlimited resources, I’d prefer analog. Digital comes as a matter of simplicity and consistency