I have seen a few guys with splash cymbals inverted on ride cymbals, so i gave it a go.
My only worry is, will it crack my splash cymbal? I've already cracked one splash really badly before and i don't want to do it again.
Should i be using a felt between the splash and the bell of the ride?

Thanks








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Vanden wrote:

I have seen a few guys with splash cymbals inverted on ride cymbals, so i gave it a go.
My only worry is, will it crack my splash cymbal? I've already cracked one splash really badly before and i don't want to do it again.
Should i be using a felt between the splash and the bell of the ride?

Thanks

DEFINITELY use a felt between the two cymbals. Always use a felt. The rubbing of the two metals is never good for cymbals, will give you a buzz or even "ring" at times when you're playing one of them. You'll get the added noise from the other. I try not to invert my splashes unless it's a 6" (which I use from time to time) on top of an 8 or 10. They're quicker, sometimes thicker in proportion to their size than other splashes, so it sort of works itself out.

But bottom line...USE A FELT.








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I don't know about inverting anything as tiny and fragile as a splash cymbal. Also, you lose the bell of the cymbal, and even with a felt it's not a very stable base for a cymbal to sit on. but to each their own.

anyway, I thought we were referring to stacking cymbals in a different way (inside of each other) and I have no idea whether that can lead to a quicker demise for a cymbal. I would imagine it could, as the cymbals interfere with each others' release of kinetic energy.








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i imagine it could. I have my splash inverted on my crash at the moment, mainly due to a lack of stands and a lack of money to buy stands and i havent had any problems YET.
But i would think it could certainly shorten the life because think about it, on a normal cymbal u have somewhere around 10 degrees slant from horizontal (just saying that cause its a round number) than when u hit it with the shaft u make contant with the lip at about 50 degrees from horizontal so ur only hitting the cymbal at 40 degrees. But if its inverted a-top another cymbal its curving upwards so u would be hitting it at somewhere around 60, 70 degrees.
So for that reason i certainly think it will shorten the life, but im a fairly light hitter with outrageously glancing blows so i hope my splash will remain intact because it was a hell of an ebay score on my brothers behalf. cheaper than $10US inc. postage, but i really like the sound








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Vanden wrote:

Should i be using a felt between the splash and the bell of the ride.

yes!








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Vanden wrote:

I have seen a few guys with splash cymbals inverted on ride cymbals, so i gave it a go.
My only worry is, will it crack my splash cymbal? I've already cracked one splash really badly before and i don't want to do it again.
Should i be using a felt between the splash and the bell of the ride?

Thanks

It can lead to cracking. I have an 8" Ufip splash that I placed on top of a 6.5" bell, cut from a 20" A medium ride, purchased already cracked for $20 for the purpose of cutting out that bell. I wanted a metal-on-metal/crasher-type sound. Didn't use a felt because it would defeat the goal of getting the crasher-type effect. The splash eventually cracked in the tonal groove where the bell's edge met the splash. I was able to cut the splash with a sheet metal tool down to 6.5". Lucky for me that it still sounds good and haven't had any more problems with it in the last 2 or so years.

Also, inverting a cymbal with a round bell, as opposed to a china's squared bell, can lead to cracking.








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Alan_ wrote:

I don't know about inverting anything as tiny and fragile as a splash cymbal. Also, you lose the bell of the cymbal, and even with a felt it's not a very stable base for a cymbal to sit on. but to each their own.

anyway, I thought we were referring to stacking cymbals in a different way (inside of each other) and I have no idea whether that can lead to a quicker demise for a cymbal. I would imagine it could, as the cymbals interfere with each others' release of kinetic energy.

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what about Piggybacking 2 chinas with felts between them? would that do any harm to either of them. I'm more concerned about the bottom one though








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Don't put a splash on your ride because you'll lose the use of your bell. Put it on a crash or a china that's NOT upside down.

Obviously, ALWAYS USE FELTS between cymbals. Even in your cymbal bag.

If you want that Bozzio "crash inside of a china" effect, don't over tighten the wing nuts. The idea is the have the cymbals scrap on one another.

In general, you cymbals need to be free to move. I don't understand why guys tighten down their cymbals so much that they cant vibrate. Do they want them to sound chocked?? Do they want to break them??? I see it all the time but just can't conceive of what these guys are thinking.








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rlrrll wrote:

Don't put a splash on your ride because you'll lose the use of your bell. Put it on a crash or a china that's NOT upside down.

Obviously, ALWAYS USE FELTS between cymbals. Even in your cymbal bag.

If you want that Bozzio "crash inside of a china" effect, don't over tighten the wing nuts. The idea is the have the cymbals scrap on one another.

In general, you cymbals need to be free to move. I don't understand why guys tighten down their cymbals so much that they cant vibrate. Do they want them to sound chocked?? Do they want to break them??? I see it all the time but just can't conceive of what these guys are thinking.

i think they do it because of 3 things:
a) it seems natural that screws shouldn't be loose (why would they make this much thread if i wasnt supposed to use it?)
b) When the thread nuturally unwind you eventually need to wind it up again (This way i only have to do it once)
c) The cymbal moves less so its easier to hit it a few times in a row (i can hit faster so it must be better!)








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it may not be a splash cymbal, it may be a bell or accent cymbal like:
http://www.paiste.com/e/cymbals.php?category=6&family=5&action=category&menuid=261








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