Ive got a friend that says metal frame pedals can get faster than pedals with a solid bass, it kinda makes sense, but i would think a more sturdy bass would let you have more speed, or at least more control.








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I think if I can get 16ths on any single bass drum pedal..... it doesn't really matter.








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what he said








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phoenix7289 wrote:

I think if I can get 16ths on any single bass drum pedal..... it doesn't really matter.

Not true...not under circumstances, not as fast, not as well








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

Exactly...








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drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.








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xdoseonex wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.

Not to mention with the longboards (which i know you'll be gettin soon) you have an extra 2 inches of foot board so you can throw a heel stroke in there and make a 3rd or even 4th fast 16th stroke on your pedal.


Face it ...with advances in pedal technologies today our feet havent picked up any slack

we have the same foot print as jesus and that was a long time ago lol

but pedals are reinvented and reworked to fit out feet








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

Howepirate wrote:

xdoseonex wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.

Not to mention with the longboards (which i know you'll be gettin soon) you have an extra 2 inches of foot board so you can throw a heel stroke in there and make a 3rd or even 4th fast 16th stroke on your pedal.


Face it ...with advances in pedal technologies today our feet havent picked up any slack

we have the same foot print as jesus and that was a long time ago lol

but pedals are reinvented and reworked to fit out feet

the band im in was asked to play a last minute show tonight and i just got my axis longboards about 2 weeks ago. so im just getting used to them. like i said the show was last minute and i had to use another drummers gear. he had an iron cobra and asside from it moving all over the place i could play everything very well with it. i used to hate that pedal so much. but it was kind of unbelievable that i was able to play so well with it.








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iatemygoat wrote:

Howepirate wrote:

xdoseonex wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.

Not to mention with the longboards (which i know you'll be gettin soon) you have an extra 2 inches of foot board so you can throw a heel stroke in there and make a 3rd or even 4th fast 16th stroke on your pedal.


Face it ...with advances in pedal technologies today our feet havent picked up any slack

we have the same foot print as jesus and that was a long time ago lol

but pedals are reinvented and reworked to fit out feet

the band im in was asked to play a last minute show tonight and i just got my axis longboards about 2 weeks ago. so im just getting used to them. like i said the show was last minute and i had to use another drummers gear. he had an iron cobra and asside from it moving all over the place i could play everything very well with it. i used to hate that pedal so much. but it was kind of unbelievable that i was able to play so well with it.

Moving all over the place?! It must have not been correctly attached.








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phoenix7289 wrote:

iatemygoat wrote:

Howepirate wrote:

xdoseonex wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.

Not to mention with the longboards (which i know you'll be gettin soon) you have an extra 2 inches of foot board so you can throw a heel stroke in there and make a 3rd or even 4th fast 16th stroke on your pedal.


Face it ...with advances in pedal technologies today our feet havent picked up any slack

we have the same foot print as jesus and that was a long time ago lol

but pedals are reinvented and reworked to fit out feet

the band im in was asked to play a last minute show tonight and i just got my axis longboards about 2 weeks ago. so im just getting used to them. like i said the show was last minute and i had to use another drummers gear. he had an iron cobra and asside from it moving all over the place i could play everything very well with it. i used to hate that pedal so much. but it was kind of unbelievable that i was able to play so well with it.

Moving all over the place?! It must have not been correctly attached.

Not true...my iron cobras used to do that all the time.

But yeh i got on the same ones (i sold em to a friend and i was playin his set) and i was suprised at how much easier everything got on those pedals since i last played them lmao. Its like axis makes your kicking superior on not just their own pedal but every1 elses.

Oh and ive gotten back to about the 220 bpm range...yay!








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"I never said that gear makes the player...I just wanted to exploit the other side of the argument."

A solid-base pedal ensures that the hinge assembly and the footboard stay completely straight. A pedal with a radius rod (the two thick pieces of wire) offer more flexibility.

My personal preference is the DW5000 Delta2 w/ solid plate. However, it's big, bulky and I carry 2 of them (one is a spare).

Besides, your pedal and how much you spend on it is not going to make your foot any faster. I remember way back when, I was practicing on an old Speed King by Ludwig. I got fast on that. Sure, having a good pedal will make it easier but really it's not about the pedal, it's about the musical idea.

Recently (like in the past 5 years) I would sit there and try to yammer out 16th notes in bursts of 4 at 160 BPM on my right foot, breaking it up between my hands and foot. So it was like RLRL FFFF LRLR FFFF ("F" being the bass drum). How often do I use that? Ha! NEVER!! Just the other night I was feeling like I would incorporate that into something or other and I said "nah".....

Anyhow, speed comes from proper technique. Keep the ball of the foot farther back towards the hinge, heel raised about 1 inch, use the weight of your leg to kick, and you will get faster. I promise.








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Howepirate wrote:

phoenix7289 wrote:

iatemygoat wrote:

Howepirate wrote:

xdoseonex wrote:

drummert2k wrote:

i dont see how that could happen. any given individual whos played metal framed pedals for years might get on a solid frame and and think its bulkier or heavier but its just a matter of not being used to it. you shouldnt rely on the pedal to determine how you play. you should be able to get on any pedal (within reason, im not talking about rusted or 20 dollar crap pedals) and play basically the same as you do with any other pedal.

true t op a certain extent. but when i go from playing on my6 axis pedal to playing on a iron cobra or nsomething. theres definately things i can do on my axis that i cant do with other pedals. mostly because of the zero backlash system the pedals have.

Not to mention with the longboards (which i know you'll be gettin soon) you have an extra 2 inches of foot board so you can throw a heel stroke in there and make a 3rd or even 4th fast 16th stroke on your pedal.


Face it ...with advances in pedal technologies today our feet havent picked up any slack

we have the same foot print as jesus and that was a long time ago lol

but pedals are reinvented and reworked to fit out feet

the band im in was asked to play a last minute show tonight and i just got my axis longboards about 2 weeks ago. so im just getting used to them. like i said the show was last minute and i had to use another drummers gear. he had an iron cobra and asside from it moving all over the place i could play everything very well with it. i used to hate that pedal so much. but it was kind of unbelievable that i was able to play so well with it.

Moving all over the place?! It must have not been correctly attached.

Not true...my iron cobras used to do that all the time.

But yeh i got on the same ones (i sold em to a friend and i was playin his set) and i was suprised at how much easier everything got on those pedals since i last played them lmao. Its like axis makes your kicking superior on not just their own pedal but every1 elses.

Oh and ive gotten back to about the 220 bpm range...yay!

Eh, I like my Iron Cobra Jr. It stays where I put it. I don't know what you mean exactly by moving all over the place, but if they are properly set up and tightened, any, and I repeat ANY, kick pedal, will stay in place.








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