hey, i was wondering about mike placement. is there a general rule for how the placement effects the sound or is it different for every type of drum? im particularly wondering about the bass drum. cheers.

You can put Mike where ever you want. Mic's are pretty much the same.

Here's a decent link for you: http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/drumsrec.php








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SGarrett wrote:

You can put Mike where ever you want. Mic's are pretty much the same.

Here's a decent link for you: http://www.recordingwebsite.com/articles/drumsrec.php

thanks for the link, but what does it mean when it says to reverse the phase on the 2nd mic under the snare?








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Some mic's have a switch that reverses their phase. Think of it like this, one mic' will push while the other pulls, instead of them both pushing or pulling.

I only use one mic' on my snare and it comes out sounding pretty good.








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It also depends if the mic has a proximity effect.
An sm57 does...the closer you get, the low-end increases. Further away, less low-end.

You should switch the phase on the bottom snare mic








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SGarrett wrote:

Some mic's have a switch that reverses their phase.

You can also find phase reversal buttons on some consoles/mixers or plug-ins in a DAW.

Thanks for the heads up on that one.








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No prob!

The phase button in DAW software is usually on each track.
On mine it's where the volume, pan, mute, solo, record etc. on each track is.








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drumur wrote:

The phase button in DAW software is usually on each track.
On mine it's where the volume, pan, mute, solo, record etc. on each track is.

If not, you can reverse the phase as an option in the audio process menu in cubase. My Mike plays bass guitar.








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I just was in the studio last night, and the guy used a SM57 on the top of the snare (as expected), and also used a ribbon mic for the bottom, a technique which I had never heard of before. I asked him about it and he explained it was better for catching the little nuances of that part of the snare rather than using another dynamic mic like one the top. Well I'm listening to to the rough mix now and even without any mixing or mastering my snare sounds the best I've ever heard it recorded, so I guess It's a good technique.








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wow, that's pretty brave, using a ribbon mic in a high sound-pressure-level location. I guess it's not as bad as using it on the top of the snare. ribbon mic's can be "blown out". they're pretty delicate. they work great for room mic's, or on acoustic instruments.

just think of a mic like an ear.

one area to be really careful with is overhead mic placement. if they're too close together and facing down, you can end up with weird phasing issues. I do an x/y configuration myself, where the mics are on a flat plane crossing each other, pointed 45 degrees down at the floor in opposite directions. if done properly this eliminates any phase issues and gives a GREAT stereo image of the kit. small-diaphragm condenser mics work best for this. sometimes I mic my toms separately, sometimes I place a mic between them. I like an SM-57 for the snare, and usually only use one mic. I've also used an Earthworks small-diaphragm condenser on the snare to great effect.








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if anybody wonders what I'm referring to when I talk about "phasing", it's when the sound waves from a sound source are recorded by two different microphones, and the sound waves hit one mic a millisecond or so before or after the other mic. this is how a phaser effects unit makes that whooshy sound.

a phaser, a flanger, and a chorus are all basically just very specialized delay units.








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FATHER TIME wrote:

drumur wrote:

The phase button in DAW software is usually on each track.
On mine it's where the volume, pan, mute, solo, record etc. on each track is.

If not, you can reverse the phase as an option in the audio process menu in cubase. My Mike plays bass guitar.

When i quit my old band on bass i was replaced by a mike. He sucks though








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