what are the mainly differences between the AA's and AAX's

are the AAX's more for metal or just louder music or just better all together??

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I've wondered the same myself. I've played and owned both but never compared them.








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Ok I read that but those descriptions are vague. Of course there's no substitute for actually listening to something.








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the AA's are compatible with the Zildjian A series so they pretty can go with any music type. The AAX line is compatible with the A custom line so they are brighter and louder and also go good with alot of styles of music. its just personal preference and also volume.








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Brian L wrote:

the AA's are compatible with the Zildjian A series so they pretty can go with any music type. The AAX line is compatible with the A custom line so they are brighter and louder and also go good with alot of styles of music. its just personal preference and also volume.

This is not quite true. AA's are brighter than AAX's. AAX's have less overtones but with that they've also lost some sharpness and brightness. AA have more sharp sound.
But AAX's are the most responsive cymbals at all. You get a full sound out of it even if you only tap it with a finger. On my opinion there are no better crashes than AAX (except Paiste 2002 Crash for the classic rock sound).
A and A Custom crashes, for instance, simply can't compete with them. They are far less responsive (my personal experiences).
But if there is a hard quitar sound in your music AAX's should sound you too sterile. In that case (if you choose between AA and AAX) AA's should possibly be a better choice, for they are a little more raw sounding. But differences are small. The the biggest difference is response.








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nordwest wrote:

Brian L wrote:

the AA's are compatible with the Zildjian A series so they pretty can go with any music type. The AAX line is compatible with the A custom line so they are brighter and louder and also go good with alot of styles of music. its just personal preference and also volume.

This is not quite true. AA's are brighter than AAX's. AAX's have less overtones but with that they've also lost some sharpness and brightness. AA have more sharp sound.
But AAX's are the most responsive cymbals at all. You get a full sound out of it even if you only tap it with a finger. On my opinion there are no better crashes than AAX (except Paiste 2002 Crash for the classic rock sound).
A and A Custom crashes, for instance, simply can't compete with them. They are far less responsive (my personal experiences).
But if there is a hard quitar sound in your music AAX's should sound you too sterile. In that case (if you choose between AA and AAX) AA's should possibly be a better choice, for they are a little more raw sounding. But differences are small. The the biggest difference is response.

Really? You wouldn't consider the AAXPlosion to be one of the brightest cymbals that Sabian makes? No offense dude, but I don't think you really know what you're talking about.

There are significantly more choices in each line than you'll find in Zildjian's lines. You guys are talking about them like there's only a few choices. There are many choices within every line that Sabian makes. If you want to compare AA to AAX, pick some actual lines to compare not the entire series. The only real difference between AA and AAX is the brilliant finish. I use a 16" and 19" AAXPlosion and an 18" AAX Metal Crash from everything from pop/rock to classic rock and from funk to metal. They're extremely versatile cymbals.








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ok, DUDE. I believe that you're a great expert in cymbals, but what was the point of your post already?...
I've thought it is obvious that we can compare only comparable models of each serie. So once you'll have a time take one 16" AA Medium thin crash and one 16" AAX Stage crash and listen to them closely. You'll be surprised: they sound different! And AA will be brighter, sharper, with more overtones and less sensitive. Exactly as stated in catalog. The same with stage and regular hats or stage and medium ride... Deviate models such as ozone, xtreme... can't be significant at comparing the lines.









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AAX is way better in my experence








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nordwest wrote:

ok, DUDE. I believe that you're a great expert in cymbals, but what was the point of your post already?...
I've thought it is obvious that we can compare only comparable models of each serie. So once you'll have a time take one 16" AA Medium thin crash and one 16" AAX Stage crash and listen to them closely. You'll be surprised: they sound different! And AA will be brighter, sharper, with more overtones and less sensitive. Exactly as stated in catalog. The same with stage and regular hats or stage and medium ride... Deviate models such as ozone, xtreme... can't be significant at comparing the lines.

Go hit some cymbals. You'll be really surprised. And as a Product Specialist, I do know quite about about the gear. If you reread my post instead of getting all butt-hurt you'll see the point I was making.








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i think the AAX has more mid range and the AA has more high end








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The point I'm trying to make is that there are different lines within each series. An AAX Dark sounds completely different than an AAX Metal, let alone what they sound like compared to anything in the AA series. In that case, an AAX Metal has a lot more cut (high end) than an AA Rock and as a plus it doesn't sound clangy. AAX cymbals are more explosive than AA cymbals but there is no one tone that they can labeled as. The shop I used to work in has one of California's largest selections of both Zildjian and Sabian cymbals. I've hit one or two of them and just so happen to play Sabian HHX, AA and AAX cymbals.








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garet, garet, ... I know that you're trying, but you mix apples and pears. No, AAX Dark don't sound completely dfferent than AAX Metal, both of them have equal sound character, which is (this is important!): less suitable for hard rock and metal than AA's (confirmation for this you will also find in some old Sabian catalogs from '93, when AAX began to produce, where were some charts which serie is more suitable for which type of music). The truth is that these differences were compensated with more agressive models in AAX serie. Meanwhile AA serie is almost not developing any more.
And don't even talk about rock and metal crashes. Crashes ends at weight medium thin .








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nordwest wrote:

garet, garet, ... I know that you're trying, but you mix apples and pears. No, AAX Dark don't sound completely dfferent than AAX Metal, both of them have equal sound character, which is (this is important!): less suitable for hard rock and metal than AA's (confirmation for this you will also find in some old Sabian catalogs from '93, when AAX began to produce, where were some charts which serie is more suitable for which type of music). The truth is that these differences were compensated with more agressive models in AAX serie. Meanwhile AA serie is almost not developing any more.
And don't even talk about rock and metal crashes. Crashes ends at weight medium thin .

Um, no. If an AAX Dark and Metal sounded exactly the same, they wouldn't have different names...would they? No. They're both explosive, like all of the AAX series, but the Dark is significantly darker in tone. I give up though, learning straight from the factory in recent years has obviously taught me nothing. Sabian's cymbals haven't progressed in the slightest in the last 14 years.

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SGarrett wrote:

nordwest wrote:

garet, garet, ... I know that you're trying, but you mix apples and pears. No, AAX Dark don't sound completely dfferent than AAX Metal, both of them have equal sound character, which is (this is important!): less suitable for hard rock and metal than AA's (confirmation for this you will also find in some old Sabian catalogs from '93, when AAX began to produce, where were some charts which serie is more suitable for which type of music). The truth is that these differences were compensated with more agressive models in AAX serie. Meanwhile AA serie is almost not developing any more.
And don't even talk about rock and metal crashes. Crashes ends at weight medium thin .

Um, no. If an AAX Dark and Metal sounded exactly the same, they wouldn't have different names...would they? No. They're both explosive, like all of the AAX series, but the Dark is significantly darker in tone. I give up though, learning straight from the factory in recent years has obviously taught me nothing. Sabian's cymbals haven't progressed in the slightest in the last 14 years.

And my last name has two R's and two T's. Spell it correctly or not at all, please and thank you.

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