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dude, you have really got to learn how to use a tape measure!








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zen_drummer wrote:

dude, you have really got to learn how to use a tape measure!

why is that now?
all that ish is perfectly aligned








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bodiesablaze805 wrote:

zen_drummer wrote:

dude, you have really got to learn how to use a tape measure!

why is that now?
all that ish is perfectly aligned

Can't you see how crooked the badge is compared to the vent hole?



And look at the lugs compared to the vent and each other...










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It's even more visible if we put a reference mark dead center on the badge itself, this illustrates how far the centerline of the badge is from the vent hole.










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i mean really, do you have nothing better to do with your life than make grids showing how that badge is off by what? not even a 1/4 of an inch. is your life really that boring?








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bodiesablaze805 wrote:

i mean really, do you have nothing better to do with your life than make grids showing how that badge is off by what? not even a 1/4 of an inch. is your life really that boring?

I'm afraid when you put it out there--on a site that has some serious drum folks on it, you're opening yourself to a lot of scrutiny. Believe it not, we actually know something about this odd craft called "drumming," and some of us -- like Zen, I and others have been at it a while.

That being said, I was curious what you were going to used a drum that deep for? It's very pretty and all, but 8" is a tad deep. Is this a concert drum?








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i'm not defending the kid and his "not so awesome" drum,
but could it be the picture maybe?

..just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt?
maybe?






..eh it's probably crooked

shine.fm-youth wrote:

i'm not defending the kid and his "not so awesome" drum,
but could it be the picture maybe?

..just trying to give him the benefit of the doubt?
maybe?
..eh it's probably crooked

Nah, it's crooked.

bodiesablaze805 wrote:

i mean really, do you have nothing better to do with your life than make grids showing how that badge is off by what? not even a 1/4 of an inch. is your life really that boring?

I have plenty of stuff to keep me busy, and my life isn't really boring at all... but you put these pictures of your work out there for us to see, and I assume it's so we can comment on it!

Now, you said it was in "perfect alignment" and you can now see with my illustration that your badge (or vent hole) is off by probably 3/16".

If your snare bed is off center by 3/16" that drum will sound like crap and be difficult to tune. If your throw-off is mounted crooked (which I cannot tell if it is or it isn't from the pictures) then the drum will have some pretty serious issues, and the person that buys the drum will never get the quality that should be one of the main reasons for buying a custom made drum.

What we CAN tell from the picture you posted is that you clearly need to learn how to use a tape measure, and you need to learn how to become more accurate in your manufacturing processes. Precision is EVERYTHING! When you make statements that defend your work and declare that everything is in PERFECT alignment, only to reveal later that it is not, you are projecting that you either:
1) Can't tell that the drum assembly lacks precision
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2) You don't CARE that the drum assembly lacks precision

Either way, you have an issue to deal with... either you should learn how to measure AND be able to hit those measurments, or you should realize that precision counts, and start caring if you're making a quality product.

It looks to me like you have spent a lot of time working on your new logos and marketing materials and you have ignored the fact that your drums need to have the exact same attention to detail that you have obviously put into your marketing efforts.

Evreything I have posted here on this thread, and on other threads where you are hawking your wares, is designed to make you MORE aware of how to be a better drum builder. If you take this advice, rather than acusing me of being bored, I think you'll make better drums.

Anybody that knows me well (and there are few of them on this board) can testify that I am a VERY busy man with precious little spare time on my hands. I am MAKING the time to create the grids and guide lines to demonstrate to you some of the flaws in your work... I'm doing you a favor.

Have you considered thanking me? I think that would be more appropriate than saying my life is boring and I have too much time on my hands.

SLOW DOWN... Measure three times, drill once... Make PERFECT drums... it can be done. I dare you to do it!








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Dude, to be honest, these guys are being nice. I've seen worse reviews.








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Timekeep69 wrote:

Dude, to be honest, these guys are being nice. I've seen worse reviews.

and ya know this is right because PJ is (obviously) a custom drum dealer

PJ, can ya tell us of any bad reviews published about Medicine Man Drums as I have never heard a bad word yet about them








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Ok heres the deal. Your vent hole is off center, which means it was improperly measured. When people see that they're gonna start to think that maybe its not the only thing on the drum thats improperly measured. something made you measure that off center, whether it was laziness or just lack of experience, you have to relize that when they see this, they may assume that the same thing may have caused you to mismeasure on the throwoff or the snare bed. And as zendrummer said. some slight foul ups in the measurments of a snare bed will make your drum pretty much impossibly to tune, and it the throwoffs mounted a bit crooked, forget about it. Now the vent hole being a fraction of an inch isn't gonna make your drum sound bad, the most it'll do is make it look unprofessional, (in my opinion it already has). But it shows that you can and have measured improperly. and if you apply that to certain aspects of the drum (beds, throwoff, buttplate, BEARING EDGE) You absolutey can not accept those flaws in craftmanship. Show your customers that they have no worries. show them that everything on theyre drum will be crafted with such precision that you dare them to try and find a point to rag on your work. Your in a flooded market, if your drum has ONE visible flaw it will go right out the window and a customer will pick from one of the other 200 custom drum companies to get that snare.

For now my best advice for right now would to be to get a layout mat.
http://www.drumfoundry.com/p-2966-shell-layout-mat.aspx








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The company I work for builds banks. 1/4" off center would have my head on a platter. That is without excuse.

++1 for those who noticed that straight up.








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Check this out
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/showthread.php?t=196158

My initial thought is that if the builder does not even notice that the badge that signifies that it was built by him is not aligned properly, why should we think that the details we cannot see, specifically the bearing edges, have been routed to exact specifications. Good luck in your endeavors.








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What you have here is educated, constructive criticism. You can choose to ignore it, and think everyone is bashing you. Or, take it to heart that we are really trying to help you. When I got my first drum from PJ, I went over it CLOSELY, now mindyou, I work with measurements in the thousandths of an inch, and fractions of degrees of angles. The drum was flawless. That shows to me as much as the sound the quality I got. Just trying to help. The road to success is paved with failures.








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