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out of curiosity do zildjians make any cymbals in Turkey? and are they even owned by the turks anymore?

Cause, i could be wrong here and this could be a pointless topic but, i thought the lower down ones, planet Z's and stuff are made in china and the higher up ones, customs and stuff, are made in america, and they call themself "Genuine Turkish cymbals" now dont go on a rant of pro-american "cause chinas cheap and we're the best" i jsut want to know this...








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K Zildjian Istanbul is name of the company that first started creating Zildjian cymbals in the 1600's. The K Zildjian company continued to exist and manufacture cymbals that were all hand hammered in Istanbul until the mid 1970's. Brothers Kerope and Avedis Zildjian had a falling out resulting in Avedis taking his knowledge of the Zildjian secret alloy and move to the US where he started the Avedis Zildjian company.

In the mid 70's, after Kerope's death, problems started brewing in Istanbul. At this point, the sons of Avedis, Armand and Robert, had assumed control of the operations of the A Zildjian company and attempted to help out the struggling K Zildjian company. They eventually flew a handful of the K Zildjian cymbalsmiths to Canada where the Avedis Zildjian company had opened a new factory. From '75 to '79, the K Zildjian cymbalsmiths hand hammered cymbals that today are know as the Early American K's, or EAK's. At the end of the 70's, Armand and Robert had a falling out (which seems to be common amongst siblings within the Zildjian family tree) and Robert took control of the Canadian factory and formed Sabian.

Today, no Zildjians are made in Turkey. Turkish alloy is another name for B20 alloy which many high end cymbals are made from such as all of the cast cymbals from Zildjian and Sabian, the Paiste Twenty series, Bosphorus, Istanbul, Spizzichino, and on an on.

China's cymbal and gong making history dates back thousands of years. Take Wuhan cymbals, for instance. If you look at the bell of the Wuhan china, it's squared off. The reason for this is that the bells of these cymbals are actually handles. These kinds of cymbals where actually used in pairs, similar to marching or orchestral cymbals. The were often used in battle to strike fear into the opposition. It wasn't until much later did someone think to drill a hole in "bell" so that it could be mounted on a cymbal stand.

China still produces cymbals to this day. The province of Wuhan is one of the most notable for they cymbal heritage. Wuhan brand cymbals and the Dream cymbals are still hand hammered in this province to this day. The alloys used are essentially a B20, but because of the actual ratios of copper and tin that are in some of those pies, they could actually be anything from B25 to B20.

Bottom line is that the B20 alloy used for many professional cymbals is considered to be a Turkish alloy, hence the phrase "Genuine Turkish Cymbals" gets thrown around quite a bit. Please let me know if you have any questions or anything I've stated needs clarification. Thanks.








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I think as i read to the zildjian history were made by Armenians in Instanbul...







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I think as i read to the zildjian history were made by Armenians in Instanbul...
lol, and didnt the turks seem grateful with the "near" genocide. Thanks for that explanation, but i still find that funny, it would make more sense if it was something like "genuine turkish formula" or something, thing is its not jsut a word of mouth saying, its laser etched into my zildjian A series
---GENUINE---
Turkish cymbal
-Made in USA-
(eh... i feel dirty admitting i own zildjians)
So to me it still seems a bit clashing, and perhaps they should have placed those in different areas, rather than right above each other. Its like when i was in my first year of high school and used some clapping sticks from the music room that had aboriginal looking dot paintings then a sticker saying made in taiwan! And that formed one of the greatest high school songs ever to be performed "Australian made! Australian made... in taiwan" I shouldnt be old enoguh to reminisce man!








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And almost most armenian names have end -IAN

Daron Malakian
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And almost most armenian names have end -IAN

Daron Malakian
Serj Tankian
John Dolmayan
(SOAD)
lol, thats a good point.... you dont know any other Armenians do u?
... me neither








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eemm not really but i know that turks killed 1.000.000 armenians :S :S

I know many about Turks and Armenians and Greeks because Turks made an assault on my country 33 years ago and they have the half Cyprus as occupation...

We don't have so good relationships..

We had wars at
1453(they took constantinopole from greeks)
1821(Greeks won the battle)-they were 400 years slaves...
1974....

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k0staZ wrote:
I think as i read to the zildjian history were made by Armenians in Instanbul...
lol, and didnt the turks seem grateful with the "near" genocide. Thanks for that explanation, but i still find that funny, it would make more sense if it was something like "genuine turkish formula" or something, thing is its not jsut a word of mouth saying, its laser etched into my zildjian A series
---GENUINE---
Turkish cymbal
-Made in USA-
(eh... i feel dirty admitting i own zildjians)
So to me it still seems a bit clashing, and perhaps they should have placed those in different areas, rather than right above each other. Its like when i was in my first year of high school and used some clapping sticks from the music room that had aboriginal looking dot paintings then a sticker saying made in taiwan! And that formed one of the greatest high school songs ever to be performed "Australian made! Australian made... in taiwan" I shouldnt be old enoguh to reminisce man!

Why would you feel "dirty" saying you own Zildjians? They still remain one of the finest cymbals in the world.








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Bong wrote:
antiunderscores wrote:
k0staZ wrote:
I think as i read to the zildjian history were made by Armenians in Instanbul...
lol, and didnt the turks seem grateful with the "near" genocide. Thanks for that explanation, but i still find that funny, it would make more sense if it was something like "genuine turkish formula" or something, thing is its not jsut a word of mouth saying, its laser etched into my zildjian A series
---GENUINE---
Turkish cymbal
-Made in USA-
(eh... i feel dirty admitting i own zildjians)
So to me it still seems a bit clashing, and perhaps they should have placed those in different areas, rather than right above each other. Its like when i was in my first year of high school and used some clapping sticks from the music room that had aboriginal looking dot paintings then a sticker saying made in taiwan! And that formed one of the greatest high school songs ever to be performed "Australian made! Australian made... in taiwan" I shouldnt be old enoguh to reminisce man!

Why would you feel "dirty" saying you own Zildjians? They still remain one of the finest cymbals in the world.
yeh, i bought my crash cymbal cause i liked the sound of it and it was practically half price new so i could afford it. But i dont like to be like everyone else, i just dont feel comfortable with it. Cause it just seems like i bought it for the name like so many do. I cant explain it, but i just dont feel right when i have the "standard" sort of thing going on.








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k0staZ wrote:
eemm not really but i know that turks killed 1.000.000 armenians :S :S

I know many about Turks and Armenians and Greeks because Turks made an assault on my country 33 years ago and they have the half Cyprus as occupation...

We don't have so good relationships..

We had wars at
1453(they took constantinopole from greeks)
1821(Greeks won the battle)-they were 400 years slaves...
1974....

Everything Exept Drums!!!


You must be Greek! I worked with some Greeks at a telecommunications company a while back...they were fun to be around. They grew up in Toledo, Ohio alongside Jamie Farr (MASH) and Danny Thomas. The lady used to tell me about the moie theatres in Toledo being very posh and elegant - nothing like what they cineplex is today.








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